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Air-collision TV programme

There is a programme on BBC2 at 9pm tonight (Sunday 3rd August) about aircraft near misses.

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By: Ren Frew - 11th August 2003 at 00:10

Just PM the address and I’ll send it. It’s cheap as a cheap thing to be honest. About $2 for stamps. No worries. 😀

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By: B777boy - 11th August 2003 at 00:07

all right i’m all compatible here, how much do you want for it?

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By: Ren Frew - 11th August 2003 at 00:03

If you can NTSC transfer a PAL DVD+R disc then it will be cheaper to post as it weighs a fraction of that of a VHS tape. Check this site for playback issues with your machine. www.dvdplusrw.org If you don’t think it will work then a VHS will do the trick instead. 😀

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By: B777boy - 10th August 2003 at 23:56

Vhs is gonna be cheaper but whatever u have is fine, i’ll pay post if u’d like

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By: Ren Frew - 10th August 2003 at 23:54

DVD or VHS ? 🙂

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By: B777boy - 10th August 2003 at 23:50

yep 3 am, perhaps if you could send me a copy i’ll get it converted here.

ya bbc canada has a couple canadian shows (mostly comedy)

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By: Ren Frew - 10th August 2003 at 23:48

“Crowded Skies”

Is BBC Canada different from BBC America ?

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By: B777boy - 10th August 2003 at 23:46

Whats the show called? I think it might be on bbc canada tomorrow at like 3 am 😡

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By: Ren Frew - 10th August 2003 at 23:43

Originally posted by B777boy
Does anyone know of a possible repeat on Canadian Television?

It’s got “Discovery Channel” written all over it. Other than that I could perhaps do a PAL-NTSC conversion at some stage.

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By: Ren Frew - 10th August 2003 at 23:42

Indeed it was Wys. I think it was something like 7 years after buying the system before they installed it (after the collision).

There was a conflict between the manufacturers and authorities at Milan, who said there were technical difficulties with the installation but the manufacturers were proven right when they (unsurprisingly) received the call overnight after the crash asking them to install it straight away. Interestingly they mentioned that 13 people are up on involuntary manslaughter charges, including the controller at the time.

Also interested to hear that they cited Glasgow as being one of three major UK airports without ground radar. Something I think BAA should be taking note of to be honest.:eek:

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By: Polar Impact - 10th August 2003 at 23:41

I enjoyed the show too – I’d never seen that footage of the SQ crash though – scary.

I wish the Channel 4 series “Black Box” was available on DVD…

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By: B777boy - 10th August 2003 at 23:41

Does anyone know of a possible repeat on Canadian Television?

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By: wysiwyg - 10th August 2003 at 23:34

Another brilliantly made program which I think did itself a favour by just taking the bare bones of the Tenerife crash rather that going into too much detail.

I had always assumed that the bulk of the blame for the Linate accident lay with the German crew of the CJ2 but what I saw this evening showed that they were quite professional. They made quite a statement about their precise location on at least 2 occasions while holding short of the runway. The controller even showed signs of knowing something was amiss and yet chose to ignore it. As for the installation of the ground movement radar – there are 2 fog capitals in Europe, the first is Opporto and the secong is Milan. It was a guilty man who phoned the Norwegians for installation of their GMR a couple of hours after the crash!

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By: Ren Frew - 10th August 2003 at 22:32

Thanks tenthije, I think we hit “submit reply” at the same time there more or less. So it wasn’t actually an explosion, was there a bomb at all or just a threat. Did ETA make any kind of statement ? An apology or a claim of success ?

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By: Selsport69 - 10th August 2003 at 22:32

sorry not an explosion just a scare. Slip of the tongue.

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By: Ren Frew - 10th August 2003 at 22:31

Originally posted by Selsport69
Ren, it was a bomb explosion at las Palmas. Also it did not highlight the fact too much on TV that the KLM Cpt was not prepared to wait for his take of clearence because then he would have reached his max flying time and had to get back.

I’d heard about the KLM pilot’s action in a previous doc, but didn’t know much about the Las Palmas bombing. Anymore gen on the bombing was it ETA ? Did it involve aircraft, buildings, people etc ? Any websites links you guys know of ?

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By: tenthije - 10th August 2003 at 22:28

There was a (ETA?) bomb threat at Las Palmas causing the cancellation and rerouting of all flights. Tenerife was just one of many airports around that got more flights.

In the end the bomb threat proved to be a hoax. It is ironic that this false alarm caused more death and destruction than the “average” Spanish bombing (which happen quite often with ETA considering tourists a legitimate target due to their value to the Spanish economy).

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By: Duesseldwarf - 10th August 2003 at 22:25

Ren Frew

It was a bomb scare at LPA. I’ve seen the reason for the TFN tragedy reported as terrorism on a website somewhere.

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By: Selsport69 - 10th August 2003 at 22:24

Ren, it was a bomb scare at las Palmas. Also it did not highlight the fact too much on TV that the KLM Cpt was not prepared to wait for his take of clearence because then he would have reached his max flying time and had to get back.

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By: Ren Frew - 10th August 2003 at 22:18

Another interesting, thought provoking show tonight, I actually never knew that one of the factors in the Tenerife collision was that planes had been diverted there because of an “incident” at Gran Canaria, the intended destination of the Pan Am flight and many others.

Can anyone enlighten me further as to what happened at Las Palmas ?

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