December 20, 2021 at 11:58 am
This trim wheel was recently acquired in Australia and I am hoping to positively ID its application. Its provenance was ‘flying boat’ and it has a 20’s-30’s sturdiness, but no clear part numbers. There is a barely legible inspection stamp in which ‘Inspector(2)’ surmounts an ‘S..’, perhaps S6 for Supermarine? Australia operated two 1920’s Southamptons and nine early Seagull III’s (Napier Lion tractor) before splurging on later Seagull V – Walrus (Bristol Pegasus pusher) amphibians. These later Walri, of which one remains in the RAF Museum, had cockpit equipment and instruments familiar to most early WW2 era aircraft, so the feeling is that this trim wheel is from an earlier Supermarine species. I would be grateful if anybody can positively identify the application. I have looked, in past, less focused attention at the superb Southampton displayed at the RAF Museum, but not deeply enough to see if there is a trim wheel fitted to that example. On the black friction coating of the wheel is a ‘Dover Patent’ mark with an illegible patent number dated ‘190..’, certainly it is a British product. There are fixing bolts stamped ‘E 10’ with a kidney shaped inspectors stamp.
By: Nicko - 31st December 2021 at 07:17
Good sleuthing!
By: powerandpassion - 26th December 2021 at 20:51
With a little bit more sleuthing the Korect Depth Gauge Co becomes the more familiar KDG gauge company, though by 1935 the more familiar WW2 type KDG fuel gauge with ‘no internal tank components’ appears on ads. So the query gauge, relying on internal tank components, is in the 20’s – early 30’s period
By: Nicko - 26th December 2021 at 09:20
Thanks to Bazv!
By: powerandpassion - 26th December 2021 at 08:55
Fargo, thanks for the Solent contact
By: powerandpassion - 26th December 2021 at 08:52
Nicko, nice work on Korect gauges and bolt deciphering, thank you!
By: bazv - 26th December 2021 at 07:51
Re the Bolt Head marking .
Using the old aviation mnemonic ‘Eat Good Jam Leave None’
E = 1/4″, G = 5/16″, J =3/8, L = 7/16″ and N = 1/2″
So ‘E’ = 1/4” Dia Bolt and ’10’ = Ten Tenths of an inch plain shank length.
Thus an E10 Bolt is 1/4” Dia BSF Bolt with a plain shank length of 1.0”.
By: Nicko - 26th December 2021 at 06:00
Hi Ed. I have one reference from 1943 with references to obsolete gauges for training including some for Southampton and Seagull (as opposed to Seagull V which is listed in the current section), but unfortunately not the fuel gauges for these aircraft.
Attached is an extract from a 1934 text that describes the ‘Korect’ fuel gauge system that seems to match what you have. The text refers to Smiths under the electric fuel gauge section on page 19; who knows if Smiths made the Korect system or a gauge/pump pair that seems to match.
By: powerandpassion - 26th December 2021 at 04:18
gauge face and side
By: powerandpassion - 26th December 2021 at 04:18
Here is a fuel gauge with Supermarine on the dial face, capacity 54 gallons, hopefully an indicator of application. The gauge was operated by pushing something like a priming pump. I can only guess how the system worked, as I would assume the fuel tank was vented, so you could not pressurize the tank to get some form of pressure reading translating as fuel level. I am familiar with Televel gauges which used a float on a wire within the fuel tank, but this has no similar mechanism. It is definitely pre electric, with a 3090 drawing number.
By: powerandpassion - 26th December 2021 at 04:13
I have found one photo of a trim wheel on Short Singapore, a 1926 design, hosted on the IWM archives site. In the antipodes, only the RNZAF operated four Singapores, which were eventually scuttled in Fiji. A Kestrel pusher engine remains from a RNZAF Singapore in the excellent MOTAT Museum. Though the wheel looks very familiar to the Short Singapore arrangement, it is more ‘bent down’ than the query wheel. I am thinking that the query wheel may still fit a Napier Lion Seagull III, given the roof mounting arrangement, the Australian context, era and lack of roof for Southhampton.
By: Nicko - 24th December 2021 at 07:38
Hi Ed. For the photos, at the moment I’m having plenty of luck just using my ‘snipping tool’ to get images on to my clipboard, and then just paste them directly into my posts. I don’t think this used to work for me, but I’m happy about it while it works!
By: Fargo Boyle - 20th December 2021 at 22:02
I can’t help with the images, but it might be worth contacting Solent Sky museum in Southampton who specialise in Supermarine and other local manufacturers and who may have photos or drawings?
By: FarlamAirframes - 20th December 2021 at 20:36
Mea Culpea – you are absolved P&P.
By: powerandpassion - 20th December 2021 at 18:41
Dover patent related to ‘Exonite’, a form of cellulose nitrate covering common on cars in the 1920’s.
By: FarlamAirframes - 20th December 2021 at 12:42
sorry P&P I can’t see the images.
By: powerandpassion - 20th December 2021 at 12:03
Hand scale
By: powerandpassion - 20th December 2021 at 12:01
Bolt head stamp
By: powerandpassion - 20th December 2021 at 12:00
Dover patent stamp
By: powerandpassion - 20th December 2021 at 12:00
Inspection stamp
By: powerandpassion - 20th December 2021 at 11:59
Trim wheel