F100 T 33 And Mystere

I’ll pass on your kind words – plus the Wallace is larger than you might think; & NAM does not have sufficient easily accessible undercover space; it’s been checked! 😉

Your guys do a marvellous job with limited resources and time… I do not think that the Wallace fuselage would take up too much room. It seems such a waste after all of the work done, to have it stuffed into store. I often speak with the RAF Museum, and there is no definite plan for many of the stored exhibits, including medals and Bomber Harris and Lord Dowding’s desks with their personal items.

Aircraft being taken on loan by NAM from the RAFM is highly unlikely due to the lack of undercover display space – NAM’s own ongoing in-depth restoration projects (Monospar, Harvard, Mooney, Auster, etc.) mean that additional display facilities will soon become an ever pressing priority.

From my understanding Blenheim operations locally were very limited and thereby of little relevance to NAM. Also WADR the Blenheim / Bolingbroke project that you mentioned earlier in this thread is perhaps beyond the scope of NAM’s current restoration resources, which are already well committed. Frankly I cannot see it ever happening.

I would be glad to see more RAFM air frames loaned or gifted to Newark… the Spitfire FRXIVe went to America, The Walrus/Seagull faces an uncertain future, Vimy and Wallace stored, and a unique Miles sent to Scotland. Rumours that the Belvedere will go elsewhere are unconfirmed.

I am baffled how The Blenheim/Bolingbrooke which served as both a Bomber and trainer would not fit in with Newarks colection, but all I can say is keep up the good work!

It was agreed after careful and considered discussion with the reviewing bodies, during the Museum Registration Phase (pre Accreditation) & has remained since. From memory it was at a time when the Desford was due to head up the A46 from Leicestershire and it was designed to embrace that possible airframe as well; one that got away!

The passage on privately operated aircraft is unusual.

The main aspects of the collecting policy are outlined in here http://www.newarkairmuseum.org/Museum-Profile albeit it does not list the specific target aircraft types, a topic that remains confidential.

I was proud to have been the liaison with RAFM over the Oxford & Harvard loans; something that lots of people said couldn’t be done by an independent museum.

As for the Wallace there might be some symmetry if it came on loan to Newark, seeing as those frames were the first significant aircraft bits that NAM acquired back in the early 1960s.

When you next visit you ought to pick up a Museum History book, it tells most of the stories in detail!http://www.newarkairmuseum.org/NAM_History_Book

I am curious as to what the collecting policy is? 🙂 There are a/c around the country that in an ideal world would be at Newark, not least the Canberra PR9 at Kemble, Twin Pioneer at Coventry, Black Widow in China 😉

It was great when you had the Oxford and Harvard on loan from the RAFM. Shame theres no room for the Vimy and Wallace, which are wasted in store at Cosford. The Wallace was of course rescued from RAF Cranwell. The RAFM have his stupid policy of restoring a/c minus wings such as the Wallace and Anson. (The Southampton came without any)

Anyway look forward to my next Newark trip 🙂

As far as I’m aware the Dr.1 replica went to Hawkinge instead of NAM, but I’m not sure whether it is still there now.

I’m not sure which person currently opening the Canberra B(I)8, WV787, also worked on Canberra PR7, WH791 (either in the RAF or at NAM).

With regard to the site I must clarify things a bit more. NAM owns the Southfield Site, 12.38 acres where Hangar 2 (HLF project) is located, this was purchased in 1994/5; the Northfield Site, 4.2 acres where Hangar 1 & Workshop is located, is on a long-term lease.

As stated before a Blenheim does not fall within the current NAM Collecting Policy (not aware of it ever having been on their ‘wish-list’). It’s also worth noting that although the full ‘Sunday’ name is Newark (Nottinghamshire & Lincolnshire) Air Museum, NAM is actually located in Nottinghamshire and not in Lincolnshire.

They might consider a Fairey Battle as the type flew from RAF Winthorpe.

Thank you for the kind offer regarding your grandmother’s items, this would be something that you would need to check with NAM’s curator.

Regarding the Fokker, I had no idea it was a replica, bearing in mind I was only 11! I was thrilled to have a peep into the cockpit 🙂 Not seen the interior of any WW1 a/c since 🙂 Any idea what became of her? I remember how evil the guns looked 🙂

The ex RAF guy who worked on the Canberra PR7 when it was in service really knows his stuff… I could talk to him for hours, and did, inside WV787 🙂

Had no idea you own the site, which is a good thing…

we will have to beg to differ on The Blenheim… as a Bomber it is as important to Lincolnshire as any, and as a trainer it would be ideal next to many types on show… personally I hope the one remaining in store comes to East Kirkby.

I have a fascination with the Blenheim and Fairey Battle, both types I would love to see here in Lincolnshire.

Another thing, would you be interested in copies of my Grandmothers collection? You have a picture of her, she is 2nd left on the huge 5 group H portrait. [ATTACH=CONFIG]259305[/ATTACH]

Some interesting comments there SADSACK that I can try to address.

The replica Dr.1 Triplane was offered for sale to NAM back in the early 1990s – the £5k price asking price was considered to be too high and it was decided not to proceed. I took the call that offered both it and the SE.5 to NAM.

As for the Canberra B(I)8, a National Benchmark airframe on the NAHR that is now displayed in Hangar 2, it is a regular part of NAM’s open cockpit offer and is opened most weekends.

Sadly the Council does not own the former airfield site and at least NAM had the sense to purchase some land in the 1990s, on which a lot of subsequent developments have taken place.

As for the Blenheim/Bolingbroke project it wouldn’t have fitted in with NAM’s collecting policy.

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Over the years I have heard many opinions from volunteers, some I agree with, some I dont!

“I’m glad to see the back of the Fokker Triplane” was one!

“Theres no point opening her up… theres nothing in there anyway” – the all black Canberra!

I love Newark Air Museum, and my dream would be to buy the aerodrome from the council so that the museum can expand. I wish they had blagged the Blenheim/Bolingbrooke project from Duxford before Tangmere got it!

I can vouch for the indestructibility of the P-80/T-33 (ish) family, I’v been playing ‘Fallout 3’ and there are Seastars (ish) on the carrier in Rivet City, that’s set in 2277 so they’re 329 years old and have been through a nuclear war – Lockheed build them strong!

I assume the three at Flixton came via this route ?

SADSACK – I’m afraid that someone was throwing you a line about the Canberra PR7, it wasn’t purchased by the museum and has been on loan since the day it arrived in autumn 1998.

Thanks also for the comments about the Museum Shop – I’ll pass on the comments!

I can’t address F-100s with their titanium aft fuselage or the Mysteres, but T-33s will last just about forever on outside display.
There are hundreds across the country in parks, at airports and in front of veterans halls, with minimal care, they seem to last well.

From memory its now two F-100s -three Mysteres and one T-33 scrapped from the loan airframes . Realistically due to their construction the F-100s are at the greatest threat – maybe its time for the museum with the prime F-100 to look long at getting it undercover.

I saw the article 🙂

20 years ago a volunteer pointed to the Canberra PR7 that had recently arrived and said “with the money its cost we wont bother getting any more air frames! He was wrong of course.

May I take this chance to congratulate who brings in the stock for the model shop. There are kits for beginners and dyed in the wool builders. And unlike many shops you have a decent range of paint!

Newark is a regular port of call for film interviews – lots of Aircrew Interviews are filmed there, including the recent Bill Ramsey, Vulcan recording in front of XM594.

Last week BBC East Midlands TV filmed part of the ‘Norton Disney Lancaster’ piece in Lancaster Corner in Display Hangar 1! 🙂

20 years ago Newark Air Museum were really helpful with our college film about two American airmen during Vietnam, we used the F100 and the interior of the Wessex. Our director preferred the Vulcan and insisted on using it, the F100 footage was reduced to a single shot in the final edit!