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Aircraft control cables – when were they made non-interchangable?

HELP!!! Here is something of a historical aviation conundrum that I am trying to get to the bottom of. Does anyone know when aircraft manufacturers started ‘handing’ cable control systems to prevent the accidental crossing of the cables? I seem to remember the late Bill Sayer of the RAF Museum Workshops at Cardington explaining to me that sometime in World War One there was a policy developed of using differently sized and left and right handed threads at the turnbuckles and the same size differences with the posts and eyes. Anyone shed further light…. please?

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By: Vega ECM - 16th September 2017 at 06:27

XX164 – earlier post edited with respect to location and cause

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By: QldSpitty - 16th September 2017 at 00:52

Read somewhere a Lanc during the war had bad flying tendencies due to crossed controls.

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By: Piston - 16th September 2017 at 00:37

Vega, which Hawk was that?

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By: Vega ECM - 15th September 2017 at 21:35

More recently a Hawk was lost on a post maintenance check flight out of Valley (corrected from earlier post)

Poor practice during work hand between shifts I believe. Don’t know why the fool proofing didn’t work. (Ailerons were left disconnected after maintenance- corrected)

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By: paul1867 - 15th September 2017 at 20:35

Thanks for that Vega

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By: Arabella-Cox - 15th September 2017 at 20:26

The Short-Bristow Crusader crash prior to the 1927 Schneider Trophy crash was caused by crossed aileron cables

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By: Vega ECM - 15th September 2017 at 20:04

[HTML][/HTML]The Avro Tudor II crash marking the requirement to prevent control cross connections…..Ah No

I have a copy of this AAIB report and it records that by design the production std control column would prevent incorrect connection of the ailerons but those fitted at the time of the incident were an experimental columns design (only for flight test) which did not conform to drawing in this respect. My interpretation of this is that it should have been impossible to cross connection the ailerons, maybe by a bulking web cast into the column but these particular columns didn’t have the features. This deviation from the drawing would have required an acceptance by a design office process known as a concession. If the concession process was done correctly i.e in accordance with airworthiness procedures, then an instruction should have been issued to undertake additional checks etc. The report also records that the ailerons/columns were disassembled the night before. This implies that the fitter who put it all back together may have thought that it could only go together just one way and the safe way. This could explain why so little attention was paid to checking the system out. A simple failure in communication…….flying is awfully unforgiving.

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By: smirky - 15th September 2017 at 18:20

and one of the F-117s, although probably an electrical cable swap in this case

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By: paul1867 - 15th September 2017 at 18:08

Well certainly in 1947 the crossing of control cables was possible at Avro and cost the life of Roy Chadwich and 3 others in the Tudor ll.

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