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I recently acquired this six chambered cartridge starter. I already have the larger chambered section and curiosity got the better of me.
It has two RAF 37F (I can’t seem to locate 37F on the reference lists?) stores reference numbers, 4666998 on the casing and 6082686 on the breech. Both higher numbers so unlikely a wartime unit. There is a possible date of 1952 (random engraving). There is also a Breech No of AFS1660R.
Does anyone know whether this is a generic unit or was it used in conjunction with specific engine types? I’m aware that some early jet engines used cartridge starters but the units I’ve seen seem to be a very different design and not usually six chambered.
Something else which occurred to me whilst examining this was that the unit appears fully functional and would squarely fall under the remit of the Firearms Act? I’m thinking that a basic shotgun license would suffice to own it otherwise a deactivation scenario would suit. Any thoughts on that?
Edit: Photo of the breech. Cartridges would be around 20mm diameter.
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Thanks
John
By: hunterxf382 - 20th November 2016 at 18:04
Chipmunk Coffman had part number 37F7264:
http://picclick.es/Aircraft-Parts-DE-HAVILLAND-CHIPMUNK-GIPSY-MAJOR-8-172405789415.html
By: sycamore - 20th November 2016 at 16:24
Whirlwind 5 and 7 had Leonides Majors,14 cyl,double row engines,Mk 3 had Cyclone,electric start..
By: Blackdanter - 20th November 2016 at 16:21
The Chipmunk Starter Carts were quite small – from memory they were approx shotgun cart sized (but please bear in mind I have not loaded a Chippie Breech since 1980)
rgds baz
Thanks Baz. These would be quite small. Probably around 20mm diameter.
By: bazv - 20th November 2016 at 15:54
The Chipmunk Starter Carts were quite small – from memory they were approx shotgun cart sized (but please bear in mind I have not loaded a Chippie Breech since 1983)
rgds baz
By: Blackdanter - 20th November 2016 at 15:11
Not an answer but some added info.
Never seen one so pristine in service life. There are many different Marks and Types that are configured for various engines.
I have mislaid my engine manuals but I seem to remember (30+ yrs ago) the Piston Provost (Leonides Mk 12601) Starter S7 Mk10; 37F/7267. Probably the same for single & twin Pioneer (127), Pembroke/Prince/President and Whirlwind helicopter. All 9 cylinder radials. Chipmunk was different (4 cyl Gypsy) S7 Mk2; 37F 4666994.
Hope it helps and not going to confuse.
Appreciate that. Very interesting that the ref number for the Chipmunk version is so close to the ref number on mine.
By: Blackdanter - 20th November 2016 at 15:09
Do they differ according to engine? Do the ones fitted to piston engined whirlwind helicopters differ for instance?
I wouldn’t know. It needs someone who’s worked on these aircraft to answer that I guess. Hopefully someone with hands on experience will chip in.
By: Blackdanter - 20th November 2016 at 15:07
Looks like the type used on the DH Gipsy / Chipmunk.
Thanks. Interesting given the later post.
By: Wokka Bob - 19th November 2016 at 21:26
Not an answer but some added info.
Never seen one so pristine in service life. There are many different Marks and Types that are configured for various engines.
I have mislaid my engine manuals but I seem to remember (30+ yrs ago) the Piston Provost (Leonides Mk 12601) Starter S7 Mk10; 37F/7267. Probably the same for single & twin Pioneer (127), Pembroke/Prince/President and Whirlwind helicopter. All 9 cylinder radials. Chipmunk was different (4 cyl Gypsy) S7 Mk2; 37F 4666994.
Hope it helps and not going to confuse.
By: Ossington - 19th November 2016 at 19:06
Do they differ according to engine? Do the ones fitted to piston engined whirlwind helicopters differ for instance?
By: Blackdanter - 19th November 2016 at 12:42
37F I have as, Starters, aircraft engine, spares and tools, BTH electric, BTH cartridge, BTH turbo, Plessey Coffman ‘S’, Plessy electric/IPN, Plessey GTS system, Solent, Mk 101, Rolls Royce turbo, Rotax GTS/APU system, type 2103, Rotax hand and electric, Rotax low pressure air, Rotax turbo, Rotax rapid start systems for Victor B2, Vulcan B2, Wessex 3
37F/6082686, 2995-99-608-2686, Barrel assembly, P/N 750-1-00928
Thanks. Appreciate that.
By: aircraftclocks - 19th November 2016 at 12:24
37F I have as, Starters, aircraft engine, spares and tools, BTH electric, BTH cartridge, BTH turbo, Plessey Coffman ‘S’, Plessy electric/IPN, Plessey GTS system, Solent, Mk 101, Rolls Royce turbo, Rotax GTS/APU system, type 2103, Rotax hand and electric, Rotax low pressure air, Rotax turbo, Rotax rapid start systems for Victor B2, Vulcan B2, Wessex 3
37F/6082686, 2995-99-608-2686, Barrel assembly, P/N 750-1-00928
By: Blackdanter - 19th November 2016 at 10:58
Thanks Smirky. The lack of a barrel would be the important point. That puts me at ease with regards to the law and owning this. Much appreciated. ;O)
By: smirky - 19th November 2016 at 10:54
” a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged “
I don’t think it’s a firearm.
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