Hawker Sea Hawk

804 Squadron for ever 🙂 😛 Also on HMS. Eagle, CO Cdr. Winkle Brown 🙂 Ha Ha 🙂

oop’s hahahahahahahahhah good job it was only for me, naughty fingers

Nice artwork, but the caption should read RNAS Brawdy, not Bawdy.

Impressive!

Rob

Jur’s excellent photograph of WM913 is way better than I can produce, but I am at NAM tomorrow and I will check re stencil details.

From the feedback received today the NAM archive does not hold any meaningful AP copies for the Sea Hawk, which might explain the apparent lack of stencilling on WM913 that is apparent in Jur’s photograph.

As for colours I suspect the Sea Hawk colours would have matched the other Fleet Air Arm schemes present in Hangar 1. The person that supervised the restoration of WM913 has passed away, but I’m not sure how helpful he would have been as he was colour blind and he always relied on the Shop Manager to make sure the paint that arrived matched the colour chart that it was mixed to / ordered from!

Not disputing that the colours are correct, just that at one stage the undersides were duck egg green before they seemed to change to a colour I described above (creamy light grey).

I think that Newarks machine will be the correct colour, no doubt researched well and captured well by Jur setting the camera correctly. My eyes I was told many years ago by the RAF selection board, have a colour anomoly that no-one since has ever detected!. I didnt use much colour years ago but felt that Fuji negative was best. I never had colour slide film.

For your information: my picture of WM913 was processed with a calibrated colour correction profile for my camera and a white balance correction taken from a WB-calibration grey-card shot in the museum.

The colour depends on the type of light and the camera setting and the accuracy of your monitor as you know well.

Did you know as well that it also depended on film type (back in the day, for both colour and mono film stock), quality of lens (goes without saying – a tint will taint the end result), filters used on your lens (ie, and in simplest terms, a polarising filter will darken most blue skies to some degree), colour temperature (might be what you are referring to as type of light, the difference between daylight and artificial, electric light) and how much the image has been manipulated, not forgetting what the light has been reflected from (accidentally, or deliberately ‘bounced’ on, maybe to warm up the picture). Of course, it does depend on the subject being marked in the correct colours and positions as expected too – as an example:

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Photo: Kimberley Dunstan RAN [Ret’d]
Now that looks like white rather than orange, with no visible tonal difference when brought in close.

Just a quick question or two: is the colour of the paint under the colour scheme on WF259 (seen beneath the chipped paint) and the underside colours on WM913 (and on Sagins artwork) meant to be the same? Asking since I have noticed the earlier colour seemed more green (as per WF259) and the latter appears a creamier light grey.
And…is it Sea Hawk or Seahawk?
Plus more images of Seahawks (or Sea Hawks) please?

Now thats the correct underside colour!

Thank you for that generous offer I have sent you a PM in reply!

Hopefully I might be able to assist with airframe photos for you.

Here’s a picture to start you off.

The chap I spoke with was mainly talking about the food and rum rations on HMS Albion and, latterly, the US carrier that he swapped onto (which was a dry ship but had much better food). He didn’t seem that interested in aircraft, so he may well have been wrong. He told me about the various bars in Edinburgh that serve the ‘right’ rum, as well as the prices, so I think his priorities lay elsewhere!

I spoke to a man earlier this year who had served on HMS Albion. He had marshalled aircraft on the deck, namely DH Sea Hawks and Venoms. He said that the tiger on the EF Sea Hawk should be black and white, not black and orange. He has informed them of this error!

I feel his memory is incorrect, unless the aircaft was being painted. I dont have a colour photo of a Sea Hawk with a Lions Head on Albion but they are clearly not just black and white but have a lighter tone (orange?) in parts. In any case WF259 is an F2 and was painted up (incorrectly) for display. Perhaps Lossiemouth didnt hold stock of the “duck egg green” when it was repainted. they would certianly have had white then! I think Albion had FGA6’s. Many years ago I offerred to paint the Sea hawk correctly (for 736 Squadron) but the museum felt it looked fine even though it wasnt authentic. The Sea Venom markings were however touched up with good old Humbrol model paints that matched up correctly.

Perhaps there is coulour film of Albion that might assist.

The colour depends on the type of light and the camera setting and the accuracy of your monitor as you know well.

thanks for those images Robert, thats one of the problems with black and white images, there is a NO STEP down near the cartridge chute, some show red others black, i just dont know

I spoke to a man earlier this year who had served on HMS Albion. He had marshalled aircraft on the deck, namely DH Sea Hawks and Venoms. He said that the tiger on the EF Sea Hawk should be black and white, not black and orange. He has informed them of this error!

here you go guys first one finished (sans stencils)
Twinotter if you would like a full size copy of the file done in the colours of your aircraft let me know, it is free, you can then get them printed and use the funds for the museum.
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Thank you for that generous offer I have sent you a PM in reply!

Hopefully I might be able to assist with airframe photos for you.

This is an F2 WF259 that was repanted in white for display duties at HMS Fulmar, Lossiemouth in the 1960’s. Now in the Museum of flight at East Fortune. The authenticity of the stencils may be suspect. Note the step is a bit more angled than on your drawing. In the colour photograph, taken over 40 years after the black and white one you can see some of the paint has flaked off and the original colour is underneath. The Tigers Head was put on for display as WF259 was flown by 736 Squadron (1953-1959 era).