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Pampa's thread about Dutch Fokkers

The link below provides a large collection of images, including rare color photos, of a little known fighter aircraft used during World War II.

http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/um-holandes-bom-de-briga.html

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By: Sonderman - 15th June 2016 at 21:39

On YouTube there are a few movies about the construction of the D.XXI replica in the eighties:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-o7UwWmE-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iasxV6daNqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8XWZkcN0dY

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By: CeBro - 14th June 2016 at 15:14

Nothing wrong with beefier undercarriage legs in case the aircraft is to be flown by ex-F16 jockeys with big moustaches and silk scarves who
think they can fly anything after that.
(only joking mind you).
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By: Archer - 14th June 2016 at 14:34

Thanks Mathieu, your post confirmed a couple of stories that I had picked up at some point but couldn’t quite put together. The replica is still a great achievement but it is good to know where the differences are between this and the original aircraft. I know I picked up on the undercarriage differences when building a model of a D.XXI years and years ago….

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By: Creaking Door - 14th June 2016 at 13:22

You are welcome on my forum, about Dutch aviation…

While I thank you for the invitation, I speak nor read a word of Dutch…

…so I’ll have to be content with looking at the, rather wonderful, pictures! 🙂

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By: CeBro - 14th June 2016 at 13:10

Do not forget to mention that Mathieu is single handedly bringing back a static Fokker G-1 reconstruction.
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By: Sonderman - 14th June 2016 at 12:30

I’ll be a happy man when I can make such a helpful post…..in Dutch! 🙂

You are welcome on my forum, about Dutch aviation. A nice topic there to start with: http://www.nederlandseluchtvaart.nl/forums/showthread.php?29515-Prentbriefkaarten-Nederlandse-luchtvaart

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By: DazDaMan - 14th June 2016 at 08:52

Seconded. Very informative!

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By: Creaking Door - 14th June 2016 at 01:18

Bloody hell, Mathieu…..great post!!!

THAT is exactly what this forum should be about!

I’ll be a happy man when I can make such a helpful post…..in Dutch! 🙂

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By: Sonderman - 13th June 2016 at 21:07

although Fokker used the original drawings,

Fokker did not had original drawings when they built the replica, they used drawings/sketches supplied by a Finnish museum. For the tube welded fuselage they could use the one left in Denmark as template.

One thing that always struck me was that the undercarriage legs looked somewhat more spindly in period photos. Does anyone know more about this?

As the builders used the drawings/sketches from Finland the Dutch replica has the undercarriage from a Finnish D.XXI, the Finnish legs were thicker and longer than the Dutch used. This because the Finnish needed stonger legs to enable operations with a ski undercarriage.

The new D.XXI will be painted as the 223 to represent the aircraft of the pilot J. van Zuijlen who was shot down and killed in May 1940. Attached an image how that would lool like.

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By: Archer - 13th June 2016 at 19:26

Great photo Jur! I did hear a rumour at some point that although Fokker used the original drawings, they may have used the wrong ones for some bits. One thing that always struck me was that the undercarriage legs looked somewhat more spindly in period photos. Does anyone know more about this?

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By: Jur - 13th June 2016 at 17:45

Fokker D.XXI replica (built by Fokker from original drawings) of the National Military Museum in Soesterberg, The Netherlands.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7111/27037045904_3d8b704f0b_h.jpg

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By: DazDaMan - 13th June 2016 at 17:45

Yep – although many films simply have them painted up with Japanese markings….

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By: Kuno - 13th June 2016 at 17:39

…not to be forgotten: The T-6 disguised as “Zero”.

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By: DazDaMan - 13th June 2016 at 16:11

There was at least one made up to look like a Hellcat for a film about Dien Bien Phu.

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By: J Boyle - 13th June 2016 at 15:15

From the rear quarter, the modified Harvards could pass (with appropriate paint) for Wildcats. They don’t look bad as razorback Thunderbolts.

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By: Archer - 13th June 2016 at 09:34

Some photos can be seen here ( page 4, 6 and 7) http://www.nederlandseluchtvaart.nl/forums/showthread.php?37317-PH-XXI-Fokker-D-XXI-replica/page4

Thanks for the heads up about that one! Two years ago I saw the Fokker C.X replica that they had built (static only unfortunately) and I saw the engine and prop that was going to be used on the D.XXI. It is amazing to see how far they have come since!

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By: Meddle - 13th June 2016 at 08:55

The ‘little known’ Fokker D.XXI.

Thanks for providing an ID. Pampa didn’t bother either here or on his webpage.

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By: DazDaMan - 12th June 2016 at 22:33

Awesome!

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By: Sonderman - 12th June 2016 at 21:45

Always had a bit of a soft spot for the D.XXI.

At this moment there is a D.XXI under construction that will be airworthy. Hopefully it will fly in 2018. Some photos can be seen here ( page 4, 6 and 7) http://www.nederlandseluchtvaart.nl/forums/showthread.php?37317-PH-XXI-Fokker-D-XXI-replica/page4

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By: DazDaMan - 12th June 2016 at 21:23

There are some photos in this thread as well: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?65873-Harvard-film-roles but as they are in black & white I cannot tell if the fin flashes are the right way round!

That’s probably why I’ve never realised that! Although, I might have to watch the film again, now that I’ve seen that!

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