Angmering Stuka Part

They might have had more luck mucking around with this bit – than a crash damaged part…

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-German-Luftwaffe-MG17-Wing-Gun-Cover-Ju87-Stuka-VERY-RARE-/391032389056?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b0b58bdc0

Who was the previous owner I wonder?

Good news Dan – so what was the original number ?

Brian I owned this and let it go as part of a trade for our Maggie. I have photos of it with correct werk number, this number was deleted with a false Battle of Britain history being added then it was put on eBay. Previous owner want stringing up!

Provenance is :

i purchased it from a chap who came in to my shop in Brighton along with a couple of other bits i was just told it was a stuka wing panel !!

Andy – sorry for the delay – had to go to Scotland today on business.

Lovely picture- thanks for finding, scanning and posting.

I have asked the supplier if he has any provenance.

Great photo Andy.

I just wonder if we will ever see the canopy on ebay.

Probably not as no doubt would of ended up as a dam greenhouse for plants..

That really is breathtaking souvenir hunting! You can do lot with an A frame. Now empty out your pockets, sonny Jim. I know you’ve picked up something…

Here is 5167 after the locals got to it. Yes, honestly! When a Squadron Leader from Farborough arrived to fly it back there, this is what he found.

the wernummers I have seen on removable panels from Ju88 and Me110 were all hand painted.

This one is also hand painted – 10 mm high.

Looking at the 6 – it was not a marker pen as the over top on the 6 would be ending or over the main leg if it was a pen. If it was brushed it would start from both sides and meet at the bottom.

In my eyes that werknummer on the rear of the panel looks like it was hand applied with a marker pen.

My thoughts too.

Andy sold as just a Stuka panel – no reference to any provenance and none to this aircraft. No mention at all of the werknummer.

Thanks redvanner, Dave, Elliott et al. Interesting..

My thoughts about the numbers: The 7 looks a little peculiar (to me at least) as it is a little bit unusual. “Normal” handwritten 7´s have the small upward stroke, the downward stroke is (more or less) vertical(ish), and the small horizontal stroke is more or less in the middle. An inclined vertical stroke isn´t usual. But the printed number 7 is a little different. Though there is a smallish upward stroke, the downward stroke is inclined from the upper right to the lower left without a crossing stroke. It seems this “7” is handpainted, mixing “handwriting” elements with printed ones. As there are a lot of fonts around, there might be one with his kind of 7. I would not regard it as fake only due to the numbers. When I write by hand, I am mixing “printed” style letters with “handwriting” ones, especially the capitals. So this 7 just might be a personalized one. But this is only my guess. If you think this is gibberish, yes, it is.

Michael

An interesting one.

Whilst 5167 landed intact it was broken up and burned later on. I have a photo of it after it had been got at. I will post it later when I have dug it out and scanned it. In this shot the wings are off, btw.

Typically, the W.Nr was hand painted on removable panels on the Ju 87, usually in black, and the ones I have are all exactly 10mm high figures.

Was it sold as being from this aircraft? Or sold as just a random panel?

Would be nice if it was ‘right’ but I have to say the damage and the style of the number make it seem ‘iffy’.

I have had a few RAF aircraft panels with numbers hand painted on. They don’t need to be stenciled or stamped. It would be very nice if it was genuine.

For sale recently on eBay – just as a stuka part – no other provenance – I just confirmed its identity as a Ju87 hatch from the technical plans.

In my eyes that werknummer on the rear of the panel looks like it was hand applied with a marker pen. The crossbar on the 7 doesn’t look much like a stencil – or were these things actually hand written?

Anon.

You say it arrived this morning. Can you throw any light on its provenance?

Thanks Ian – I had originally assumed it was Russian.

It is the damage that does not fully match.

I also thought German 7’s were just a straight line with a line through and hence easily confused with a 1 where as this is a definite 7.

P.S. I would honestly prefer it to be an unattributed Russian part….

I think this or similar may have been discussed a while back, with a Ju87 gun panel appearing from Russia unmarked, then reappearing with the werk no. applied. Andy should be able to shed more light.