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Sabre Underwing Stores

I was reading up on the F-86 the other day, and I came across something that’s had me curious for quite some time, but I’ve never asked about it. So here it goes…

Descriptions of the F-86’s underwing stores capabilities (specifically the F-86F & F-86H) state that the aircraft had four underwing pylons. I had always been under the impression that the inboard pylons were used for bombs or other stores (later AIM-9s), but often you read that the “outboard pylons were used for bombs while the inboard pylons were plumbed for external fuel tanks.” Aren’t the tanks that all F & H Sabres are always seen with tanks mounted on the outboard pylons? Why this common wording that would seem to be incorrect?

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By: PhantomII - 9th June 2014 at 02:27

Well it was a good shot…lol.

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By: PhantomII - 5th June 2014 at 05:01

I don’t know how accurate this model is, but this would seem to indicate that in theory the Sabre could lift stores on six underwing pylons all at once.

For the record, I tend to agree that the inboard fuel tanks were used for ferry flights only……though I could be wrong. (Still bothers me how you always see it mentioned that the tanks were carried inboard & bombs outboard…I’d wager a photo of that configuration is impossible to find.)

http://www.modellversium.de/kit/bilder/1/4/2/8142-deckel.jpg

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By: bearoutwest - 3rd June 2014 at 12:32

The wing that was developed for the fighter-bomber version of the F-86F model in the Korean War had an extra “inner” pylon level with the outer fuel pylon. See link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/F-86F_Terrible_Turtle_35th_FBS_Korea_c1953.jpg
This inner pylon was outboard of the main wheels (about mid-wing), and in a separate location to the later added Sidewinder pylons which were towards the leading edge and inboard of the main wheels.

At that stage in the last year(s) of the Korean conflict – I believe – the inner wing pylons were not plumbed for fuel tank carriage. In post war years with the late-F and the later H models – as seen in the photo in the link supplied in #4, even with the addition of fuel lines to the inner pylons, perhaps the airflow and weight characteristics better suited fuel tanks on the outer pylons as a regular fixture, with the inner pylons only used for fuel during longer-range ferry trips (my opinion only).

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By: Digger - 3rd June 2014 at 07:51

Certainly, the Australian version carried sidewinders inboard and tanks outboard…………http://www.classicjets.com/collection/c_Sabre.html…………Digger

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By: PhantomII - 3rd June 2014 at 03:52

Wow…quite an extensive little page detailing the stuff I’m always wondering about.

It would appear that the AIM-9 pylons were distinct from the inboard pylons normally used for bombs or ferry tanks.

With that being the case it begs the question as to whether or not the aircraft could carry Sidewinders alongside bombs or tanks on those inboard pylons or if it was really an either/or situation.

I’m sure they weren’t in the habit of loading up aircraft of the F-86’s generation with both air-to-air and air-to-ground munitions, but it does make for an interesting question in my opinion.

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By: TonyT - 2nd June 2014 at 16:50

Shot my theory down lol, see

http://www.atlantic-air-combat.com/10.001.F86.Sabre.Notes.htm

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By: TonyT - 2nd June 2014 at 16:47

I wonder if they had problems with gas ingestion into the engine firing rockets and missiles off the inboard pylons or they had C of G problems… it is a curious one.

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By: mike currill - 2nd June 2014 at 16:45

I don’t know but I was always under the impression that they always carried the tanks on the inboard pylons.

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