Avro Avian & DH.60 flown solo & trainee positions?

Thanks chaps,
I’m aware of the c of g and ballast aspects, but as has been said, assuming ‘type b’ is flown with the same seating standards as ‘type a’ will catch you out. But good to get things I wasn’t aware of, like:

Flying from the rear cockpit also made it easier to detect/become aware of ‘Swing’ during take off and landing !

The critical aspect (why I was asking, and thanks, you’ve answered this!) was if a 30s pilot was taking a friend for a fly in a DH.60 (or a Avian) the friend would be in front. If the friend was going to be (or was) learning to fly, they will be in the back. So different seats depending on the intent of the flight.

Thanks again,

Thanks all, most comprehensive!

I presume the trainee in the pilot in charge seat is to ensure their view and experience on first solo is in a familiar position?

Regards,

The reason the rear seat is used as the pilot in command seat is because. The front seat is virtually on the A/C centre of Gravity, therefore it means that there is very little change in CofG when the passenger or instructor gets out! A/C the used the front seat as P1 usually require ballast if no passenger is carried.

Thanks all, most comprehensive!

I presume the trainee in the pilot in charge seat is to ensure their view and experience on first solo is in a familiar position?

Regards,

Also of course to retain C of G without having to use ballast !
Flying from the rear cockpit also made it easier to detect/become aware of ‘Swing’ during take off and landing !

rgds baz

Correct James.

Thanks all, most comprehensive!

I presume the trainee in the pilot in charge seat is to ensure their view and experience on first solo is in a familiar position?

Regards,

Both the Moth and the Tiger have the connecting rod between the front and rear rudder bars with the rear end removable from the rudder bar and it is then clipped to a bracket on the control box. This them locks the front bar in a neutral position. The front seat pan has an access panel in the bottom to permit this.
The front stick is positioned with a pin which can be extracted and a hinged cover is then locked over the stick socket. Not all Tigers etc are so equipped but should be if “done to drawing”. The Moth Minor is also flown solo from the front, instructor or pax in the back.

The Tiger Moth is flown from the rear when solo, as is the DH60. Passengers would be carried in the front cockpit. As for training the student would occupy the rear cockpit and the instructor the front, a bit like side by side seating in modern aeroplanes the student is always in the left hand seat (pilot’s side) and instructor in right hand side (passenger side). Regarding the DH60 as far as I know only the stick was removeable and not the rudder bar as per Avro Avian’s post above.

I’m home now James! 🙂
Ok, now from the official book of words…
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I’m going to assume the DH.60 series would be similar.

I do know one of Albert Murrell’s Avians (I’m not sure if it was VH-UQE or VH-UVX – both now residing with Geoff Davis in Adelaide) was modified to look like a WWI German two seater, complete with gun ring in rear seat position, for the movie “The Lighthorsemen” back in 1987.
Here are a few photos I have pinched of it being flown from the front seat from this thread.

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Enjoy!

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