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What was the best post-WW II fighter ?

in 1 vs 1 situation which one will come out the best , second , last ? , which one better at low/ medium / high altitude
P-51H
http://www.air-and-space.com/20050514%20Minter/DSC_0892%20P-51H-5%20N551H%20right%20side%20in%20flight%20l.jpg
P-51H Mustang
Data from The Great Book of Fighters[124]
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 33 ft 4 in (10.16 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 0 in (11.28 m)
Height: 11 ft 1 in (3.38 m)
Wing area: 235 ft² (21.83 m²)
Empty weight: 7,040 lb (3,195 kg)
Loaded weight: 9,500 lb (4,310 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 11,500 lb (5,215 kg)
Powerplant: 1× Packard V-1650-9 liquid-cooled supercharged V-12, 1,490 hp (1,111 kW) at 3,000 rpm, 2,220 hp (1,655 kW) at WEP[128]
Performance
Maximum speed: 487 mph (784 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Range: 1,160 mi (1,865 km) with external tanks
Service ceiling: 41,600 ft (12,700 m)
Rate of climb: 3,300 ft/min (16.8 m/s)
Wing loading: 40.4 lb/ft² (197.4 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.23 hp/lb (385 W/kg)

F4u-4
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Corsair-f4u-4-navy-top.jpg
General characteristics
Crew: 1 pilot
Length: 33 ft 8 in (10.2 m)
Wingspan: 41 ft 0 in (12.5 m)
WS Folded: 17 ft 0.5 in (5.2 m)
Height: 14 ft 9 in (4.50 m)
Empty weight: 9,205 lb (4,174 kg)
Loaded weight: 12,405 lb (5,626 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney R-2800-18W radial engine, 2,325 hp (1,710 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 453 mph (395 kn, 731 km/h)
Range: 897 mi (602 nmi (1,115 km))
Service ceiling: 41,500ft (12,649 m)
Rate of climb: 3,870ft/min (19.7 m/s)

Focke-Wulf Ta 152 H-1
http://www.modelplac.cz/images/rec/ta152c0hbs/ta152cover.gif
Crew: One
Length: 10.82 m (35 ft 5 63/64 in)
Wingspan: 14.44 m (47 ft 4 1/2 in)
Height: 3,36 m (13 ft 1in)
Wing area: 23.5 m² (253 ft²)
Empty weight: 4,031 kg (8,640 lb)
Loaded weight: 4,727 kg (10,470 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 5,217 kg (11,501 lbs)
Powerplant: 1 × Jumo 213E liquid-cooled inverted V-12, 1,287 kW (1,750 PS; 2,050 PS with MW-50)
Performance
Maximum speed: 759 km/h at 12,500 m using GM-1 boost (472 mph at 41,000 ft using GM-1 boost)
Range: 2,000 km (1,240 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,100 m using GM-1 boost (49,540 ft using GM-1 boost)
Rate of climb: 20 m/s to 25.4 m/s (3,937 ft/min at maximum weight of 5,217 kg to ~5,000+ ft/min at 4,727 kg)
Wing loading: 196.8 kg/m² (41.38 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.276 kW/kg (0.167 hp/lb)

Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/ki84/ki84-9.jpg
Crew: One
Length: 9.92 m (32 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 11.238 m (36 ft 11 in)
Height: 3.385 m (11 ft 1 in)
Wing area: 21 m² (226.041 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,660 kg (5,864 lb)
Loaded weight: 3,601.5 kg (7,940 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 4,170 kg (9,194 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Nakajima Ha-45-21 Homare 18-cylinder radial engine, 1,522 kW at SL, 1360 kW at 17,900 ft (1,970 hp at SL, 1850 hp at 17,900 ft)
Performance
Never exceed speed: 800 km/h (496 mph)
Maximum speed: 686 km/h (426 mph) at 7,020 m (23,000 ft)
Range: 2,168 km (1,347 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,826.24 m (38,800 ft)
Rate of climb: 21.84 m/s at SL, 18.29 m/s at 3050 meters (4300 ft/min at SL, 3600 ft/min at 10,000 ft)
Wing loading: 171.47 kg/m² (35.1 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 1.8 kg/hp (4 lb/hp)

F8F-2 Bearcat
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/F8F_Bearcat_%28flying%29.jpg
Length: 28 ft 3 in (8.61 m)
Wingspan: 35 ft 10 in (10.92 m)
Height: 13 ft 10 in (4.21 m)
Empty weight: 7,650 lb (3,207 kg)
Loaded weight: 10,200 lb (4,627 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,460 lb (6,105 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney R-2800-30W two-row radial engine, 2,250 hp (1,678 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 455 mph (405 kn, 730 km/h)
Range: 1,105 mi (1,778 km)
Service ceiling: 40,800 ft (12,436 m)
Rate of climb: 4,465 ft/min (23.2 m/s)
Power/mass: 0.22 hp/lb (360 W/kg)

Spiteful XIV
http://www.adam-lisa.supanet.com/images/Seafang/seafa3.jpg
General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 32 ft 11 in (10.03 m)
Wingspan: 35 ft 0 in (10.67 m)
Height: 13 ft 5 in (4.09 m)
Wing area: 210 ft² (19.5 m²)
Empty weight: 7,350 lb (3,331 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 9,950 lb (4,523 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Griffon 69 V-12 engine, 2,375 hp (1,772 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 483 mph (420 knots, 778 km/h) at 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
Range: 564 mi (490 nmi, 908 km)
Service ceiling: 42,000 ft (12,800 m)
Rate of climb: 4,890 ft/min (24.8 m/s)

me-262
http://www.456fis.org/Messerschmit/Messerschmitt_Me_262_Schwable[1].jpg
Crew: 1
Length: 10.60 m (34 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 12.60 m (41 ft 6 in)
Height: 3.50 m (11 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 21.7 m² (234 ft²)
Empty weight: 3,795 kg[88] (8,366 lb)
Loaded weight: 6,473 kg[88] (14,272 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 7,130 kg[88] (15,720 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Junkers Jumo 004 B-1 turbojets, 8.8 kN (1,980 lbf) each
Aspect ratio: 7.32
Performance
Maximum speed: 900 km/h (559 mph)
Range: 1,050 km (652 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,450 m (37,565 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,200 m/min (At max weight of 7,130 kg) (3,900 ft/min)
Thrust/weight: 0.28

btw why can’t i find the thrust-weight ratio of piston fighter ?

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By: trumper - 27th March 2014 at 18:02

Re 92 & 93

Away with these two imposters ! Who else could it be but Rockfist Rogan of the RAF ?

What about John Wayne–he wins everything 🙂

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By: John Green - 27th March 2014 at 17:40

Re 92 & 93

Away with these two imposters ! Who else could it be but Rockfist Rogan of the RAF ?

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By: trumper - 27th March 2014 at 17:07

The pilot would have to be Snoopy ,after all he fought the red baron ,Charlie ,me being flippant –never 🙂

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By: Zidante - 27th March 2014 at 15:59

Can Johnny Redburn be one of the pilots in this hypothetical dogfight at undetermined altitude/time of day/prevailing conditions? Please.

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By: Moggy C - 27th March 2014 at 15:33

My money is still on the Spiteful. Whilst the Luftwaffe pilot is thinking “Vot ein kool name vor zat fighter” a quick high yo-yo and a squirt of 20mill up his chuff will decide the matter.

Moggy

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By: charliehunt - 27th March 2014 at 14:42

And–drum rolllsssssssssssss THE WINNER IS —-more drum rolllssssssssssss put us out of our misery mig31bm and just tell us.

Trumnp – you clearly do not realise that this an extremely serious thread. Can we have a little less flippancy, from you, please!

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By: mig-31bm - 27th March 2014 at 14:10

according to this http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
F4U-4 and spitfire XIV seem to be alot superior to FM-2 , F6F-5 ,Ta 152H , ki-84 , N1K2-J , Fw 190D-9 , A6m , p-47N, quite close to p-51B in speed but better in turning and acceleration not sure how they stand again spiteful XIV and P-51H or bearcat though

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By: Duggy - 26th March 2014 at 21:44

He could not, as he did not have this document.:highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii120/Duggy009/AandA/Cockpititems.jpg

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By: trumper - 26th March 2014 at 21:32

And–drum rolllsssssssssssss THE WINNER IS —-more drum rolllssssssssssss put us out of our misery mig31bm and just tell us.

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By: mig-31bm - 26th March 2014 at 19:58

http://www.degnans.com/markd/Accel.jpg
http://www.degnans.com/markd/Brown_Accel.jpg

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By: mig-31bm - 26th March 2014 at 19:20

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14v109g-level.jpg
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14v109k-level.jpg

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By: DazDaMan - 26th March 2014 at 19:14

Sweet Jesus…

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By: mig-31bm - 26th March 2014 at 19:06

Re 79

Not if you’re performing a ‘corkscrew’ manoeuvre in a Lancaster !

btw
i can only find performer chart for aircraft in ww ii , havenot seen any chart for mustang H , bearcat or the like
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/wade-accel.jpg
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/wade-comp-perf-chart1.jpg
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/wade-turning.jpg
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/wade-roll.jpg
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/wade-dive.jpg
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/wade-data.jpg
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/naca868-rollchart.jpg

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By: John Green - 26th March 2014 at 18:38

Re 81

Mossie’s and Tempests did. They blew them off their launch pads !

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By: trumper - 26th March 2014 at 18:15

God is this still going — I think the V2 rocket should win-no one will catch that .

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By: John Green - 26th March 2014 at 17:55

Re 79

Not if you’re performing a ‘corkscrew’ manoeuvre in a Lancaster !

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By: mig-31bm - 26th March 2014 at 16:38

Perhaps I can offer my interpretation of the subject:

Agility
Climb rate
Dive rate
Ceiling
Range
Speed @ 20K
Turn rate
Armament
Versatility

If the make and model you are proposing scores 10 out of 10 for all nine qualities, this is the bench mark and you have the perfect aerial fighting machine. The vices and virtues of all military a/c operational at the end and beyond the end of WW2 are well known. It is a simple matter to score them against the qualities listed.

very helpful list , btw wasn’t agility is the same as turn rate ?

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By: John Green - 24th March 2014 at 15:21

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Moggy

In a boxing sense. It is a descriptive phrase that relates to a boxer who moves fast – like a lightweight/welterweight or middleweight and who punches like a light heavy weight or heavy weight and would be ‘classy’ enough to compete though outclassed in the judgment of some.

Example: Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard and Emile Griffiths.

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By: John Green - 24th March 2014 at 15:12

Re 74

Don’t carp, that’s easy. Let us have the benefit of your expert opinion.

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By: wizardofthenorth - 24th March 2014 at 14:19

I don’t know about best overall fighter…there are too many variables.

But of the fighters listed in the original post, I think the aeroplane I would want to be flying into combat with on or after Sept 2,1945 would be the Me262.
You pretty much have your pick of engagement parameters…and escape if necessary.

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