FW 190 D-FWMV (ex-Tom Blair) flies again, 2nd maiden after being grounded

Looking at the pictures of the aircraft whilst taxiing,I cannot see KP waving/saluting with a hand outside of the cockpit.If it is pic 3,side pic,his right arm is inside possibly holding the stick forward to keep the tailwheel unlocked,and he is wearing an oxygen mask,which would be normal. Unless there is a photo showing something else,I suggest `those` who do should go to `Specsavers` at the earliest opportunity….!

For Crying Out Loud…

Can we just Leave it alone…???

This is “supposed” to be an aviation forum. Instead, the bait is taken and the distraction goes on…and on….and on.

HISTORIC AEROPLANES. The clue is in the Title, People. (Not “SALUTES – World register-Therof”)

KEEP ON TOPIC.

Looking at the pictures of the aircraft whilst taxiing,I cannot see KP waving/saluting with a hand outside of the cockpit.If it is pic 3,side pic,his right arm is inside possibly holding the stick forward to keep the tailwheel unlocked,and he is wearing an oxygen mask,which would be normal. Unless there is a photo showing something else,I suggest `those` who do should go to `Specsavers` at the earliest opportunity….!

That’s a fine piece of craftsmanship, a credit to all those involved in its making.

Confused – where’s the Lang Nasen?

[Edit] Ah oops – the D is part of the registration?

lol glad to read I wasn’t the only one to make that mistake. 🙂

Well, to ‘salute’ this return to the air of D-FWMV I am cooking up some Gronkohl which will be washed down with a few Bitburgs….

Prost!

I like the colours,it will look good glinting in the sky.Hopefully we will see it in the UK ,won’t we ?? 🙂

It’s a shame that the thread has got side tracked with such a lot of drivel. It is very plain to see that the pilot is only waving. The thread was initially about the aeroplane being back in the air, which is great and a link to the photos. Perhaps I am naïve but why is it that lately on here, things aren’t taken at face value, there isn’t always an underlying hidden agenda with things.

It´s amazing what happens if a german pilot is waving with his left hand. Everybody who knows Klaus Plaza will know, that he is a pilot who just wanted to wave the audience at Braunschweig after his landing. You can be shure, if I´m back in Duxford next year, I´ll not even think about taking my right hand out of my pocket. Of course I´ll not tell anybody that I´m born in Germany. Is that ok with you?!

Snoopy – What utter nonsense ! On one hand you say what happens in Germany is ‘their bag’ and on the other hand you say its time everyone moved on and grew up !
Should we ground the BBMF as its clearly from another time and old news?

As to your ‘serious players’ -maybe you should tell the German authorites to stop hunting the concentration camp personnel !

Amongst mature, intelligent adults, none of these thing should require comment frankly. It’s 2013. Anyone left alive now is going to have been too young to have been a serious player and they’ll all be dead soon too. The younger Germans do not deserve to have these things brought-up childishly and frivolously. It’s insulting. Aren’t Germans allowed to raise their arms above their waste before some daft twerp makes a comment?????
As for the Swastika on a/c – my personal view is that outside Germany, it’s offensive not to include them, as it panders to the PC brigade and is tampering with history. History isn’t a pick & mix counter. As for what happens within Germany – that’s their bag alone.
Do we raise our hands in horror when a bunch of ‘re-enactors’ dress-up as Romans and wave an Imperial Standard around…? No, it’s old news, and frankly, as the last survivors die off, so is he Second World War. Time everyone moved-on and grew-up. Why am I even having to say this in 2013……. :sleeping:

Having worked in Gemany as well – its a strange paradox that the swastika is banned yet at places like Sinsheim you can see an aircraft painted in Luftwaffe wartime markings that has no connnection with Germany at all!

Glad you think I’m a young man Snoopy. I bet I’ve got a few more grey hairs than you. You will note that I didn’t make any comment about the salute/wave and I’m sure it was the latter. However, having worked in Germany, I am aware of how sensitive the Germans are about anything that even vaguely reminds them of the Nazi regime and who can blame them. That is why I was surprised to see this photograph published and that is all! I do remember going to an airshow in Bavaria when a Ju 52 arrived from the UK with a swastika on the tail and the comments in the crowd which amounted to “das is verboten in Deutschland”.

As We Were Saying….

AAaaaaanyway;- Great photos and great to see such a mammoth project back in the air where it belongs. 🙂

So the FW190 was designed as a tool of the Nazi regime and undoubtedly used slave labour in the construction of the genuine article .Therefore we should celebrate the warplane and condemn anyone who mistakes an arm wave as a salute ! What a strange world we live in!

Give us a break FFS.

Not too sure about the “salute” in the third picture down. Fine job though.

I think you put too much milk on your breakfast cereal young man. Go and stand in the corner.

Xtangomike -I couldn’t care less if the pilot did any kind of salute ! I think the reality is that we glorify some parts of the Nazi regime and find other parts distasteful . The aircraft (FW-190) was a part of that regime -it wasn’t designed by Kurt Tank for air displays -so whether you feel it’s completely separate or not -it isn’t !

Confused – where’s the Lang Nasen? Were there short nosed Doras?

[Edit] Ah oops – the D is part of the registration?

What a wonderful looking aircraft.
On another note I spent 19 years in Germany, and remarks like the one a few posts above, make me ashamed to be a “Brit”, this forum is about enjoying aircraft, keep the political remarks out.

Couldn’t agree more. Its all about the engineering aspect, but as with some threads, politics seem to creep in and spoil it. Would we have progressed this far technically had it not been for the War machine? I suppose we may have done by now. What do you think?

So the FW190 was designed as a tool of the Nazi regime and undoubtedly used slave labour in the construction of the genuine article .Therefore we should celebrate the warplane and condemn anyone who mistakes an arm wave as a salute ! What a strange world we live in!

OMG David Burke………….you need to get out more………….an aeroplane is an aeroplane, good or bad, lovely or ugly, iconic or ‘just another one. Kurt Tank could have come from any country. It happened to be Germany and…yes we know all the bad things etc..etc. But D-FWMV is a fantastic aeroplane in its own right… wave, salute or whatever…get over it !!!!

So the FW190 was designed as a tool of the Nazi regime and undoubtedly used slave labour in the construction of the genuine article .Therefore we should celebrate the warplane and condemn anyone who mistakes an arm wave as a salute ! What a strange world we live in!

What a wonderful looking aircraft.
On another note I spent 19 years in Germany, and remarks like the one a few posts above, make me ashamed to be a “Brit”, this forum is about enjoying aircraft, keep the political remarks out.