Any axis ww2 bombers to be made airworthy

Can you remember what work you did and what needed to be done to get it into the state it is in now , 🙂

Yes it was mostly helping with the masking up prior to re paint. The JU88 was my favorite we must have photographed just about every rivet as well. The two RAF Lads involved in the restoration were great. They did point out that they took the control column apart and couldn’t figure out how to get it back together. I remember trying to work it out but without success, as we ran out of time. Presumably the lads sorted it in the end.

The hanger was jam packed with WW2 Aircraft most went to Hendon and other museums. Did my Driver and MT Mech training at RAF St Athan. Great days.

I had a fantastic week working on the JU88R1 at St Athan in the late 1970’s. It was restored then moved to Hendon.

Can you remember what work you did and what needed to be done to get it into the state it is in now , 🙂

Thank you.
I wasn’t aware of that.

When was the last time a Ju-88 changed hands on the closed market, and what was the transaction worth?

Or has that not happened?

I had a fantastic week working on the JU88R1 at St Athan in the late 1970’s. It was restored then moved to Hendon. However it was reported at the time The Americans wanted to buy it for I seem to remember a figure of 2.5 million mentioned in the local press. Thankfully the sale never went ahead and the Aircraft went to Hendon. These days hard to say what monetary value you could put on it. For me it is a priceless Gem and should remain in the UK.

Seeing as there has never been one sold on the open market, there is no such thing as as a “price” for a static Ju-88.

Thank you.
I wasn’t aware of that.

When was the last time a Ju-88 changed hands on the closed market, and what was the transaction worth?

Or has that not happened?

Mark,

The real problem with that, as has been proven time and time again in the old car world, and recently manifested itself with a Spitfire XVI, is when in a few years someone Hoovers up all the ‘left over’ parts, assembles them into a pile, and claims that they have the ‘original’. Cue lots of lawyers rubbing their hands, a nasty, drawn-out legal battle, and much general unpleasantness.

but may have meant replacement of most of the original material on an aircraft that was a Battle of Britain veteran. Not sure that is the best way of preserving history if I’m honest!

Is it not an option to remove the good bits and then place the remainder – perhaps with replacement parts made to a non-airworthy spec – somewhere that it can be preserved, ie a museum or a container or the back of a barn for example? preserve historical remains AND get a flying example with some (limited) provenance? I mean none of us are kidding ourselves that there is a completely original airworthy war veteran around that hasn’t had some new build components put in it to varying degrees. Surely it isn’t neccesary to destroy what’s not used?

I wonder what could be done with the Me-410 at Cosford?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAcgUPjb16Q

I’d love to see that and also they are soon to receive a Dornier too:

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/cosford/things-to-see-and-do/dornier-17-conservation.aspx

Would be awesome to see these flying and being chased/in formation with other ww2 birds 😉

I was talking about the pure sale of the Ju-88, not making it airworthy.

What sort of price was the Ju-88 as a static exhibit going for, roughly?

Seeing as there has never been one sold on the open market, there is no such thing as as a “price” for a static Ju-88.

I was talking about the pure sale of the Ju-88, not making it airworthy.

What sort of price was the Ju-88 as a static exhibit going for, roughly?

Aah very true – but didn’t it have the engines run-up on occasion, I know the Fw190U did. This is worth doing also.
Whatever transpired about the rumour of bricked-in WWII planes under Templehof (don’t think packing crates or brownpaper were mentioned though)

I doubt a national collection such as Hendon or the NMUSAF would be interested in having their Ju88 restored to fly.

I agree, it’s not goingto happen, especially with a risk-adverse outfit like the USAF.
My comment about the NMUSAF JU-88 was just to say that their example is complete and has never been wrecked or abused. I believe it did stay outside for many years, but it’s all there.

Quite right – there are enough good wrecks around to make it possible, but its a big job indeed.

The one I looked at represented an excellent opportunity to get one back in the sky, but may have meant replacement of most of the original material on an aircraft that was a Battle of Britain veteran. Not sure that is the best way of preserving history if I’m honest!

Bruce

In my opinion, the best source for flying restoration candidates will be the European freshwater lakes. It’s a pity that the Lake Jonsvatnet recoveries (Ju88, He111) will not fly, but there are likely other airframes if they can be obtained in compliance with local laws.

Quite right – there are enough good wrecks around to make it possible, but its a big job indeed.

The one I looked at represented an excellent opportunity to get one back in the sky, but may have meant replacement of most of the original material on an aircraft that was a Battle of Britain veteran. Not sure that is the best way of preserving history if I’m honest!

Bruce

I doubt a national collection such as Hendon or the NMUSAF would be interested in having their Ju88 restored to fly. Having a flying exhibit falls outside their remit, and risks losing the artifact in an accident. The only chance of seeing one fly would be for a private collector with very, very deep pockets and a long timescale in mind to acquire one of the Norwegian recoveries.

Just for interests sakes, what would be the ballpark figure for the Ju-88?

Lets just say that there happened to be Ten million pounds available to restore a JU88 To flying condition. Do you think that Museums or owners of, would go ahead with the idea? I know the JU88R1 at Hendon is in good condition, wonder if they would be interested. Hmmm hard to say. The JU88 Pic in my sig was taken at St Athan. Now resides at Hendon.

I believe all of the new build 262’s are now complete.

The last airworthy CASA 2-111 crashed a few years ago; there is one other that could be easily restored to flight; the others need a lot more work.

I did survey a Ju88A-1 a while ago that could have been restored to flight, but as yet, it is still available – for the right deal!

Having plenty of experience of German aircraft, restoration of a bomber is not something one would undertake lightly. Large pockets required!!

Bruce

Just for interests sakes, what would be the ballpark figure for the Ju-88?

I know if I had a spare million I would love to invest it in getting a JU88 Back in the air again.

Get another nine investors lined up with a similar sum available, and you might get close to the sum required.

A Ju88 would be amazing to see in the air again. I suspect it’s not something I will ever see though.

With enough static rebuild though from water retrieved examples, someone with deep (very deep) pockets could do a Flugwerke style new build production run of the species, if they picked the Ju88R night fighter version, as they could use the same Ash power plant installation as the Flugwerke 190’s…..:D

WOW! I too would love to see a JU88 Fly again, there are a few complete ones around. Given that the FW190 from the forest in Leningrad was restored to flying condition using most of the original aeroplane. And a Spitfire build that started from scratch with one rivet.

I know its very expensive and Restoration always is. But it can be done. I think its not so much the money, maybe more of a lack of interest. I know if I had a spare million I would love to invest it in getting a JU88 Back in the air again.

The Condor is being restored/recreated as a pre-war Lufthansa airliner, not a maritime patrol aircraft. It’s a static restoration. The aircraft was recovered in various lumps from a Norwegian fjord a few years back. Broke up badly under recovery. The story is well documented.

What is now the PoF D3A “Val” was restored to fly, and did so, in Canada in the late 1960s. Much non-original material (such as a Wright R2600 out of a Mitchell, and the vertical fin off a Harvard) was employed in the restoration, though, the D3A (registered CF-TZT) did not fly much, and ultimately it was gifted to the museum at Rockcliffe which exchanged it with Planes of Fame for a Sikorsky R-4 helicopter. PoF, probably wisely, declined to fly it…I think it may be the only World War II Axis bomber (as distinct from postwar licence-built bombers of Axis design, like the CASA 2-111s) to have been flown in the “Warbird era”. Any others??

S.