By: Arabella-Cox - 18th February 2013 at 19:33
That is good to know, Ian.
So are the other shots of the other 210? Or are they all of the same incident??
By: ian_ - 18th February 2013 at 19:30
Having checked with Philippa, yes, your photo is the Robin Hood’s bay loss, Ian. See you in a different hole!
By: ian_ - 15th February 2013 at 16:58
There is after all, little better than standing around in holes. Apart from pulling interesting things out of them.:)
By: Arabella-Cox - 15th February 2013 at 16:17
Funnily enough, I have often found them down some hole or other over the years…!!
By: Wellington285 - 15th February 2013 at 13:56
Hi Andy Yes i do know Phillipa and Ian last saw them both in a hole in Fishponds Bristol last year.
Ian
By: adrian_gray - 15th February 2013 at 10:38
Certainly not ignoring, Adrian!
If so; which is which?
That’s OK, Andy – I just felt a bit guilty about the previous one – had I not seen the photo from Partridge Green I’d practically have been prepared to swear that that cottage was somewhere else!
Unfortunately I don’t know anything else about the two incidents, but I do enjoy the detective work…
Adrian
By: Arabella-Cox - 15th February 2013 at 09:13
She did send me copies of her notes, Ian, and the ‘today’ photos she took….but I’d love to be clear as to which photograph shows which incident.
By: ian_ - 15th February 2013 at 08:42
Aunts at dawn, Ian! I’ll get her opinion but I believe the burned 210 is the Robin Hood’s Bay loss.
By: Arabella-Cox - 15th February 2013 at 07:37
Wellington285
A pleasure.
However, in case you are very confused and don’t have an ‘Aunt Phil’ I was referring to another Ian around these parts and his Aunt, Philippa Hodgkiss who, I know, has some information on the site(s) from her visits these with Peter Foote.
Years ago I had contact details for Walter Maurer and wrote to him in Germany, but he was one of the few German aircrew I tracked down who didn’t respond, unfortunately.
By: Peter D Evans - 14th February 2013 at 23:26
Some additional info on both losses:
Cheers
Pete
By: Wellington285 - 14th February 2013 at 23:00
Many thanks to you all for the info.
The photo then is from the Me210 crash at Fylingthorpe Sunnyside Farm, brilliant.
I will have to contact my Aunt Phil and see what she has.
Thanks again
Ian
By: Duggy - 14th February 2013 at 15:35
More info here.
http://www.communigate.co.uk/york/newmarske/page31.phtml
By: Thunderbird167 - 14th February 2013 at 15:21
A bit more here
http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/aircraft/yorkshire/york42/2hca.html
and here
http://www.nelsam.org.uk/NEAR/Squadrons/Histories/1Sqn.htm
06/09/1942 Me210 A-1 2331 2H+HA Soesterburg 16/KG6 Robin Hoods Bay, North Yorkshire Moors –
From the descriptions I have read I think this is the one in Ian’s photo as it appears to have disintegrated
06/09/1942 Me210 A-1 2348 2H+CA Soesterburg 16/KG6 New Marske, Redcar
This appears to be the one in Andy’s photos
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th February 2013 at 15:17
Certainly not ignoring, Adrian!
I think you are possibly correct and it may well be that we have photos of both incidents.
If so; which is which?
By: adrian_gray - 14th February 2013 at 14:48
After my last effort you may wish to ignore this, Andy, and I won’t complain, but I reckon that your photos are the other incident – I think that in the lower one you can see the rear portion of the other engine nacelle, whereas Wellington285’s picture shows that part burnt out.
Pushing the boat out a bit further, his photo also appears to show an aircraft down in a crop sown in rows, while yours show an aircraft in pasture.
Adrian
(Forensic Misanalysis of photos a speciality)
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th February 2013 at 13:48
Here are two more images.
I have never been certain which of the two episodes this actually is, or even if it is the same incident as the image posted by Wellington285. All I know for certain is that it is one of the Me 210s lost on 6 September 1942.
Ian – any idea? Can you ask your Aunt Phil? I have an extensive file, combat reports, newspaper clippings, witness accounts etc and even your Aunt’s notes about the visits with Peter Foote. Just that I am unclear about which incident(s) we are looking at in these images.
PS – I think your image, Wellington285, is from The National Archives file at Kew. One of the rare examples of Luftwaffe crash related photographs being held there.
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th February 2013 at 07:22
Yes, this is one of the two Me 210s down on 4 September 1942 over Yorkshire. I have several other shots of this incident, I think.
One was at Fell Briggs Farm, New Marske, the other at Sunnyside Farm, Fyling Thorpe.
I have a feeling this was the latter, and the other shots I have are the former. I will sort them out later today.
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