Bit of Australian aviation history

Daniel indeed did breach forum etiquette with his posting of a blind link under a vague, enigmatic, and largely misleading headline.

He has been attacked quite vehemently, far more so than his small impoliteness warranted. I understand this has to do with his past history elsewhere.

I am closing the thread. Daniel and his subsequent postings will be monitored closely.

Daniel, if you genuinely cannot understand what is required of posters here then please PM me and I’ll try and explain.

The rest, please cut him some slack as he learns.

Moggy
Moderator

Why should i bother? Everything i share like this topic is attacked.

It to me shows people have no manners.
Simple thanks for the link would be nicer…..

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As somebody as familiar with how forums operate as you Daniel, you of all people should understand that it is considered bad forum etiquette to post blind links. It is considered a display of bad manners, which is ironic considering its an accusation you seem to fling about like confetti whenever such things are pointed out to you.

Do you know what it is to be Rick Rolled on a forum? If you do you’d understand why people get so annoyed with blind links.

And you wonder why you dont get thanked?

Hopefully my 2nd post will be more positive, and have some actual aviation content.

I present my information as shown here on other forums and NEVER in 3years have others complained how i present it there…..

Sorry Phil, I’m going to call you out on that statement as it is a downright lie.

Why should i bother?

Is that a rhetorical question or does it seek a response??;)

Reading this thread, why did that saying “Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and be proven one” come to mind – hence why my post count is so low 😀

Why should i bother? Everything i share like this topic is attacked.

It to me shows people have no manners.
Simple thanks for the link would be nicer…..

But no its all about whingers and style.

No wonder we have a world falling apart when people are so narrow minded and rude to others.

I present my information as shown here on other forums and NEVER in 3years have others complained how i present it there… so it is trivial matter i see it as such only found in the aviation world…..

I’ve not been on here long but I do note a paucity in introductory comments and personal interpretation of the links you share – don’t just dump them into a new empty thread alone, please add some remarks to explain your intention by posting the outside link or comment. I have been on fora for about 12 years (cars, weather – 3 and aviation – 3) and find your posts rather empty or lacking in substance of your own volition.

And you forget some others things…. about me past and present

Director/owner of a heritage aviation business
Writer/Photographer to 2 magazines in Australia
Advisor to a movie company planned war movie project
Heritage advisor to a few projects
Volunteer on a few projects

And more.

Ive done in last few years of my life around 12 radio interviews, 6 newspaper interviews and 1 TV interview.

In which case you have no excuses whatsoever for the sloppy forum etiquette of which you are accused and of which we see a perfect example here.

And you forget some others things…. about me past and present

Director/owner of a heritage aviation business
Writer/Photographer to 2 magazines in Australia
Advisor to a movie company planned war movie project
Heritage advisor to a few projects
Volunteer on a few projects

And more.

Ive done in last few years of my life around 12 radio interviews, 6 newspaper interviews and 1 TV interview.

Who is Daniel/Phil please ?

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Migace
Sabredriver
Liberator
Heritageflyer
Daniel

And various other aliases, under which he’s been banned from most of the Warbird-related fora across the globe (some more than once) for his (lack of) posting etiquette.

Actually no, Phil, typical of your posts, its non decript and with little substance. Typical of your postings!

Who is Daniel/Phil please ?

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I see your STILL reading my post Mr Pilkington – smiles – thought you were ignoring me ? – smiles –

You missed the bit where he served in the RAAF?… hence the topic title is correct.

Daniel, with no disrespect to the gentleman, his RAAF service hardly rates a mention in the article, and it was the subject line that caught my interest and overcame my usual preference to avoid your links, and of course as is often the case with your posts, the subject line did not match the destination.

“John, who served with the RAF for two decades before spending four years with the RAAF, flew some of the most advanced and fastest jets conceived by man up until the early 1960s…”

But those mentioned all seem to be from his RAF service?

Most of the article seems to focus on his father’s service in the RFC and thats hardly Australia aviation history either?, but in relation to John himself..

John, who had been born at Wandsworth in London in 1929, followed his father into the RAF in 1946. He was to serve for 20 years before moving to Australia with his wife, Joanna, in the mid-1960s for a four-year stint with the RAAF after which he moved into private industry.

The couple had met at an RAF mess party in Cyprus while John was stationed there. By the time they came to Australia they had two children, Simon and Harriet. The family has now grown to include four grandchildren.

John spent the first four years of his RAF service completing an engineering apprenticeship. He went to the RAF College at Cranwell in 1950. It was here he met James Coward, the Battle of Britain veteran who died at Yass last year, after retiring to the ACT in the late 1960s. The men were close friends in their Canberra years.

John undertook his initial flying training on the Percival Prentice before graduating to the Harvard, a radial engined type that had seen combat during the war. ”I loved it; you sat in the centre, it was like a fighter,” he said.

From here it was off to advanced flying school. ”I was dead lucky; I was chosen for fighters.” His good luck continued. ”Instead of the Meteors [which were almost all based in the UK] I was posted to Vampires which were DFGA [Day Fighter Ground Attack] and based in Germany.”

Despite its short endurance (roughly 40 minutes in the air) and diminutive size, the Vampires were loved by their pilots. ”They were tiny, you climbed into the little cockpit and 40 minutes later you were out of fuel – the same as the Sabre,” he said.

The American-designed Sabres, built by Canadair, came later and were the UK’s interim capability until the arrival of the homegrown Hunter, another great plane (despite a lack of speed, weapons and manoeuvrability in comparison to the Iron Curtain competition).

John subsequently moved across to Canberras, where he became an acknowledged expert in photo-reconnaissance and was based in Cyprus.

He recalls his later years with the RAAF with great fondness and is still in close contact with the friends he made at that time. ”They all ended up Air Vice-Marshals,” he said. ”We still get together regularly to swap war stories

The Meteors he mentions are based in the UK, the Vampires in Germany, the Canberras before he was based in Cyprus, the sabres are Canadian examples he flew before moving onto Hunters, that would all seem to relate to his 20 years of service in the RAF?

What part of the article do you actually think mentions anything of substance about Australian Aviation History? or a “Bit” of it?

This “bit”?

“John, who had been born at Wandsworth in London in 1929, followed his father into the RAF in 1946. He was to serve for 20 years before moving to Australia with his wife, Joanna, in the mid-1960s for a four-year stint with the RAAF after which he moved into private industry.”

or this “bit”?

“He recalls his later years with the RAAF with great fondness and is still in close contact with the friends he made at that time. ”They all ended up Air Vice-Marshals,” he said. ”We still get together regularly to swap war stories”

There is 1722 words in the article, and I can find just 60 that relate to his service in Australia with the RAAF? and there is little or no detail of what he did in those 4 years with the RAAF or even private industry in Australia- its a very small “bit” of the article.

and so yes, most of the time I do skip over your threads and links to avoid discovering like this one that they werent worth the click, or not related to very well to the subject title or scant description you often provide.

As you know we have discussed this in the past in PM’s that your subject titles and introduction / descriptions of a link would benefit greatly from some more thought and effort to better describe what is contained at the end of the link, and to be fair you have improved a lot over the years.

This one however wasnt, and my earlier post was again simply some constructive criticism.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

I must admit I was a little surprised the post didn’t start with ” I have been informed about a bit of Australian aviation history”
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Actually no, Phil, typical of your posts, its non decript and with little substance. Typical of your postings!

I see your STILL reading my post Mr Pilkington – smiles – thought you were ignoring me ? – smiles –

You missed the bit where he served in the RAAF?… hence the topic title is correct.

The subject title could do with a bit more thought? its more correctly a descendant of, and participant in UK aviation history now living in Australia and covered in a feature article in an Australian Newspaper.

regards

Mark Pilkington