XH558 comes home !

:rolleyes: I bet the original poster was glad he put the photo on here for us all to see.
Thanks skudupnorth,nice photo 🙂

I think you are being a little selective with your quote.

The previous message was ‘enroute Woodford’. So clearly not something that had already happened, and had you followed the service you would have had at least some warning that it was due to appear.

Fair enough, I was just using it as an example although I doubt it would be enough time, I think Cholmondeley to Woodford is about 6 minutes flying time. But thanks for informing me about the service. I’ll bear it in mind for the future.

CIRCUS_6, is there any necessity to be rude?

“Overhead Woodford in 20mins” now that might be better

For you, yes. What about me, I need 2 hours 20 minutes notice. Or maybe I could just go and see it at its base, OR just go to an airshow.

Get a grip.

Are these things that have already happened though. There seems less value in saying “overhead Woodford” . That doesn’t give any warning at all for those that want a glimpse on the off chance. “Overhead Woodford in 20mins” now that might be better.

I think you are being a little selective with your quote.

The previous message was ‘enroute Woodford’. So clearly not something that had already happened, and had you followed the service you would have had at least some warning that it was due to appear.

They do via Twitter and Facebook all neatly tied in to the Vulcan ‘app’.

Can I ask what more do you want?

Are these things that have already happened though. There seems less value in saying “overhead Woodford” . That doesn’t give any warning at all for those that want a glimpse on the off chance. “Overhead Woodford in 20mins” now that might be better.

Anyway, I’ve said enough. Nothing is going to change – I missed it, and that’s that.
Thanks to all for their input. Even those who were less than helpful. 🙂

Exactly – that’s all it would take but apparently they can’t. (or won’t)

They do via Twitter and Facebook all neatly tied in to the Vulcan ‘app’.

Here is a rough cut and paste from Sunday’s messages, the actual times would have appeared on the day. Start from the bottom.

This service now closes for today. Have a great evening. Best wishes from all of the team.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Thank you for following us. Sign up for our free newsletter for more details on our September flights. Sign up off our home page.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
XH558 now shutting down engines.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
See here for more details: http://bit.ly/Qnh2FT

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Please help us undertake a Jubilee Tour later this month…

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Returning to stand….

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan landed safely …

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
ETA at Robin Hood 17:10

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Visual at Robin Hood.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Inbound to Elvington.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan overhead Skipton.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Blackpool complete, now enroute Elvington over the Pennines.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Southport complete enroute Blackpool.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Commencing run into Southport to display

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Holding just off coast south of Formby

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan flying up the Mersey at Liverpools request.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Woodford complete enroute Southport via Hawarden.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan overhead Woodford ….honouring 60 Glorious Years.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Carfest complete enroute Woodford

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Running in to display at Carfest

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Holding by Crewe to display at Carfest at 1540

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan through East Midlands – Carfest next look out Chris Evans

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan enroute East Midlands

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Display complete at Cosby

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan displaying Cosby

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
558 abeam Melton.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan passing Grantham enroute Leicester.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Vulcan XH558 airborne

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Taxi …

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
All engines started …

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Engine start

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Today’s captain after rapid promotion through the ranks, 37 years as co-pilot, is Bill Ramsey.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Crew in

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Today’s crew are: Bill Ramsey, Kev Rumens and Phil Davies.

9 SepXH558‏@XH558
Good morning from a lovely Robin Hood Airport. Today’s departure is due at 14:40 and the flight is estimated to last around 2 hrs 30 mins

Can I ask what more do you want?

The trouble you have is that until your putting the flight plan together prior to departing you simply do not know your final route as there will be NOTAM’s etc to adhere to, also with the likes of Manchester close by it could have been a last minute permission, telling the world you will be there, then not being alloed to because of ATC requirements would be detrimental to their cause..

you can also often get the scenario when like the Vulcan is transiting through an airport or airfields airspace and upon calling up for clearance to transit the Zone ATC requesting they pop by so they can get a look at them, which often happens for the unusual…. We had the Constellation a few years back did a low ish pass of East Mids after ATC asked them to during the ferry flight from the States via Duxford and onto Holland.

To add my humble thoughts……..I can see why they didnt publish the Woodford flypast, as most of you know the only real veiwing point to see 558 and 603 together (of sorts) would mean the single track road to the golf club being TOTALLY jammed up and causing chaos….However perhaps if thought of earlier, for a small fee perhaps people could have been given access to the now totally unsecret BAE site. which could have raised funds for 558 and the Avro Heritage Centre, and also perhaps an oppurtunity to see 603 close up…..?
However I do think the Elvington flypast should have been published (it wasnt was it?) as I would have driven the 90 min journey to see both the AVRO machines do their flypast…….and If Elvington can handle airshows, there shouldnt be too much trouble with crowds and traffic etc etc, and what an oppurtunity for the Air museum to make a few quid…..

My, second hand, appreciation of the position regarding en route fly-bys at events is that to appear with more than 24 hours prior notification requires a plethora of paperwork, meetings, planning, liability insurance cover, briefings, and yet more paperwork. Also, importantly, if the event organisers had the benefit of knowing the Vulcan was coming and put out advance sales advertising to that effect they would be liable for a whopping bill for the ‘official’ appearance fee, as it was Southport Air Show would be footing the flight bill last Sunday, not Woodford or Cholmondley Castle. The organisation behind the Vulcan, and the crews, do seem to wish to oblige to appear over events, that they are made aware of, as ‘navigational way-points’ on their intended visual en route flight-path in order to be seen and show-off their iconic aircraft. The fact they do should deserve very big thanks from all enthusiasts, not grumbles at missing it.

There were certainly 50+ people at the threshold of runway 27 at Liverpool Airport simply ‘on the off-chance’ the aircraft overflew en route to Southport – which the crew obligingly opted to do with the co-operation of ATC. As always a fantastic sight and so, so graceful. A very big thank you to the Vulcan aircrew at the weekend as I was one of those waiting on the off-chance!

As for giving routes prior to flights the same would apply as now, if she had to detour how many would be moaning, feeling let down?

Simply make it clear on the website that locations and times are approximate.
Anyone seriously interested in aviation will know that.

All it costs is some time on the website, and for a group which is always asking for money, good will never hurts.
They have nothing to lose.

Had a few people mention today that they had seen 558 over near Harrogate and how quiet she was …… Little do they know! Had my finger crossed for a line closer to Ripon.

Happy as travelled to Duxford on the Saturday.

As for giving routes prior to flights the same would apply as now, if she had to detour how many would be moaning, feeling let down?

Now how about all those who want to track her donate for a transponder so she can be tracked in real time …. it would be better than the tracker app that was a waste of time with idiotic location reports.

Exactly – that’s all it would take but apparently they can’t. (or won’t)

Just out of curiosity, at what altitude does the Vulcan transit at?

Why doesn’t the group put a approximate route on their website every weekend so people will know where to look for a free peek (weather permitting)?

Might be a good way to generate some good will.

All they have to do was announce the routing between venues. I’m at a loss as to why this is a problem. I know what it says on the website but I still can’t see that knowing which way it will fly to any particular venue is a problem.
I can understand why an airshow or display needs all the permissions but a flypast?

As far as unpleasantness is concerned. There are ways of replying to other’s posts. I have never been less than polite and try to answer the points made to me. Name-calling and misquoting is not at all helpful.

It seems that querying anything to do with the Vulcan seems to incur the wrath of the forum.

I’ve learnt my lesson and will query no more.

Wish i had not bothered posting now 🙁
Lets hope we get a proper chance to see her at Woodford with maybe a last chance show before the new owners dig the runway up and we will lose a piece of aviation history and the NW’s last decent airshow ground where the aircraft actually LAND ! Seaside shows are all well and good,but nowhere near a good as seeing stuff take off and land like the rest of the country seems to enjoy 😡

To follow on from TonyT’s post, she also came to Elvington. See here http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=78402&page=37
See? I’ve been to the Twin Otter School Of Plugging!:D

Those of us who are lucky enough to work at Duxford often see various warbirds departing at “funny” times e.g. 1730 on a Wednesday evening for private shows at venues all over the country. The transit routes aren’t published and why should they be? The Vulcan’s problem is that it is big and noisy (great!) whereas a Spitfire is quiet by comparison and can make it’s way round the country almost unnoticed and therefore not provoking the “why didn’t they tell me” brigade. If you want a Vulcan flyby it will cost you. Simples.

Well it got around on Sunday, it did a display at The Victory Show, and low pass enroute at East Mids Airport down the runway, judging by it stooging around ready to display, Brunty might have seen it and a lot of Leicester certainly did.

As for not flying over certain areas, that could be to do with restrictions etc, remember as a permit aircraft it cannot fly over major built up areas as an example.

Derek, not sure if you’re just trolling for the sake of it now, but the reasons given for not publicly announcing the flypast have been done ad nauseum. It tells you on the website but if you choose to ignore it then there’s not much else to say and were just going round in circles.

I would imagine any potential sites for the Jubilee Tour will be discussed by all the parties involved so that the public can be made aware of where it’s going to and see any flypasts, and I would think Woodford will be a high priority if possible.

Perhaps just wait and see what gets announced in the next week or so and who knows you might get the flypast you so desire, which no doubt will be paid for by many of those very supporters you so decry.

Derek.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The point being made, which you seem determined not to understand is this:

If the Vulcan is requested to perform a flypast at a private event which is NOT advertised to the public then there is no problem. However, problems arise when you advertise said event to the public whilst not allowing them in to the event itself. There is no doubt that people wish to see the Vulcan, therefore iif it is announced they will arrive and turn a private event into a public one with all its attendant problems.

It really is quite simple, if you have not been invited to a private event then see the aircraft at an airshow.

And as for this becoming an unpleasant place, has it not occurred to you that it is your attitude which has caused this current bout of unpleasantness?

Regards,

kev35