WW2 Info on Jap strike at Pearl Harbour

Sounds likely that this sub was the one captured on camera…

“Number #22 made it into the harbor and fired both torpedoes but they are believed to have missed their intended targets. It was sunk in the harbor during the battle with its 2 crewmen. It was dug up and moved a few times but is still buried at Pearl with the crew.”

…as the pucture showed the torps heading toward large ships, bigger than an LST.

All 5 of the Japanese midget subs have been accounted for.

Number #18 was located by the U.S. Navy over 50 years ago outside the harbor entrance and was returned to Japan where it is on display at a Naval Academy. It had been sunk by a depth charge and never fired its torpedoes.

Number #19 ran aground and was captured in 1941 and was taken on a tour of the United States to raise money for war bonds. It is still on display in the U.S.

Number #20 was attacked by the USS Ward and hit by her deck gun before the Japanese air attack started on the morning of December 7th. It was able to escape and sunk outside the harbor. It was found a decade ago.

Number #22 made it into the harbor and fired both torpedoes but they are believed to have missed their intended targets. It was sunk in the harbor during the battle with its 2 crewmen. It was dug up and moved a few times but is still buried at Pearl with the crew.

And just a few years ago the 5th and final missing sub was positively identified mixed in amongst other U.S. Navy wreckage outside of the harbor. The torpedo tubes were both empty and it is believed that this sub made it into the harbor and fired both torpedoes. It is thought that the sub then made it to a quiet part of the west loch and was scuttled by its crew. In 1944 that area of Pearl had a large fleet of LSTs that were being prepared for the invasion of the Marianas and somehow an explosion occurred that set off fuel and ammunition stores and sank several of the LSTs and killed and wounded hundreds of sailors. During the salvage operations to clear the loch they recovered the scuttled fifth midget sub and hauled it away and dumped it with the other wreckage from the LSTs, a few miles outside of Pearl. This disaster was classified until 1960 so the public didn’t know about it during the war and it was largely forgotten. The stern section of the sub was found about 20 years ago, and was probably severed from the rest of the sub by its scuttling charge. The remaining pieces were found more recently, and it still lies on the bottom a few miles from Pearl Harbor.

Hi Hampden

Of the 5 midget subs involved in the attack, one successfully entered the Harbor but was destroyed before it could launch its torpedoes, 2 others were sunk or destroyed outside the harbor, one was found in 1960 still with its torpedoes. This leaves one sub unnaccounted for so it is possible that it entered the harbor and fired its torpedoes then escaped and was lost at sea but unless it is found no one will ever know.

Paul

For fear of actually posting something relevant to the topic ( 🙂 ).

Does anyone have information regarding midget (don’t go there!) submarine operations inside Pearl Harbour during the raid?
All information points to these midget subs being destroyed outside Perl or being lost before action. However, and it’s this `however` that has me interested.
There was a program on TV which showed a recon photo from one of the Japanese aircraft taken during the attack. It shows one or more torpedo tracks speeding toward one of the ships at anchor. What is interesting about this photo is there are no aircraft near the torpedo. Also shown is what appears to be the tell tale wake of a Submarine broaching the surface (midget subs had a habit of surfacing after torp release before the crew could re-trim).
So, is it possible a sub thought destroyed did actually enter the harbour and attack one or more ships?

There’s no mention of the Fleet Air Arm or Taranto as far as I can see.

Is this the word police?

At the risk of coming across as overly politically correct….a concept I generally find silly…can we decide to quit using the term “Jap”?

The war was over a long time ago.

The term ‘Jap’ or ‘Japs’ is a perfectly logical linguistic contractions, as is the term ‘Nips’ from their own term, ‘Nipponese’. It’s no different to the term ‘Brits’, about which we never complain – and why should we..?

Much as some of these terms cause sharp intakes of breath – such is the prevalence of the Orwellian mindset indoctrinated today, – they are often used by the very people that are supposed to be suffering from such remarks. I’ve often heard Pakistanis referring to each other as ‘P aki’s’. Even the supposedly out-of-bounds ‘N-word’ gets used ad nauseam by those who would be thought to complain the loudest. As the very practical antipodeans have said, it’s really all ‘sticks & stones’ anyway. 🙂

Maybe we can return to the actual subject of the thread now. :rolleyes:

Call us “Aussies”, “Australians” or anything you like, but the old saying “Sticks & stones……”
Why is everyone so politically correct these days?
Do we have to follow the “yanks” (sorry should read Americans) in everything?

berkyboy

What about the Welsh?

Don’t even think about it!

What about the Welsh?

And what about all those people who call us Australians ‘Aussies’! Where will it end?

I read a book by an Aussie POW working on the Burma railway, his Japanese captors were extremely upset to be called a Jap and to do so usually ended up with a severe beating, sometimes so severe that you would end up in the ‘hospital’. On the other hand they were perfectly happy being called Nips as a short form of Nippon.

Nothing worse than a cold soggy poppadom:)

INIT

You can call me what you like, but just do not call me late for my dinner:rolleyes:

Nothing worse than a cold soggy poppadom:)

You can call me what you like, but just do not call me late for my dinner:rolleyes:

Even the swear filter wont let me put P a k i on the forum!

Why can people call me a Brit and think its PC but people raise their hands in horror if I call a Pakistani a ****?

Sauce for the Goose and all that!

What makes me shudder is hearing phrases like “Brit Pop” and “Scots Guards”.

Just today a friend asked me out for a Thai meal later on tonight. Won’t be speaking to that bigot again !

Absolutely agree. And you’re not being overcorrect, calling a Japanese a Jap is no different than any of the other cultural perjoratives, unless you’re Snookie’s boyfriend and like to be called a Guido…

At the risk of coming across as overly politically correct….a concept I generally find silly…can we decide to quit using the term “Jap”?

The war was over a long time ago.