Nieuport 11 from WW1 RNAS Wreckage Found

All

The greek person who alerted to me to this has been told of the doubts and is trying to get some more pictures of wreckage to help identify type

Paul

All

The greek person who alerted to me to this has been told of the doubts and is trying to get some more pictures of wreckage to help identify type

Paul

The SL fitting, would appear to be off of a later type of Sopwith aircraft, rather than the pup or strutter etc, as the lug that a bracing wire would have been directly affixed to, has a tubular bush, which was a modification to later fittings “SL#a” (SL1a to SL5a) rather than the earlier SL# type.
I’m not too sure what types were operated in that area, other than the much earlier Sopwith gunbus, which were operated by the Greeks, & the parts do not appear to be off of one of those.
The other fitting looks like it might be a tailplane bearer clip, it is similar to, but not identical, to the one used on a Snipe. So this leaves types such as-
Dolphin.
cuckoo.
Camel “poss late production”.
ETC.

Bob T.

The SL fitting, would appear to be off of a later type of Sopwith aircraft, rather than the pup or strutter etc, as the lug that a bracing wire would have been directly affixed to, has a tubular bush, which was a modification to later fittings “SL#a” (SL1a to SL5a) rather than the earlier SL# type.
I’m not too sure what types were operated in that area, other than the much earlier Sopwith gunbus, which were operated by the Greeks, & the parts do not appear to be off of one of those.
The other fitting looks like it might be a tailplane bearer clip, it is similar to, but not identical, to the one used on a Snipe. So this leaves types such as-
Dolphin.
cuckoo.
Camel “poss late production”.
ETC.

Bob T.

Hello again guys .
A word of caution …Don’t get Too fixated about the remains being from a Pup , unless it is Confirmed that All the Known and Unaccounted-for Sopwith crashes in the area during WWI ,…were in fact ONLY Pups .

The fittings are as previously stated , Standard Sopwith Fuselage fittings .
The one held in the Left hand definately being an ” SL standard type” . However , these were made in a series of sizes to suit the Tapering down (from front to rear ) section of the Fuselage longerons …therefore , without dimensions , one cannot say exactly which SL # it is & also to say where it comes from .
It “could” in fact , ( were it not for other evidence ) , have been fitted of almost ANY Sopwith machine from Tabloid era , via Pup etc through to Snipe .
However , judging from its size etc. , it would likely have been situated close to just behind the pilots position , on an upper or lower longeron , to locate the vertical & horizontal cross member ,. It has the remains of the diagonal wire bracings attached .

The other fitting in the Right hand appears to be a smaller size & comming from farther back in the fuselage .
This fitting however “appears” to have a wiring lug facing ” Outward ” ,…which doesn’t immediately seem to tie in with a Pup , and so this one may ? NOT? be a SL type , & could be specific to one Sopwith Type only.
I have to say now , that I am no Sopwith expert ,..One would have to go through the Drawings to say for sure …. so they “could” be from a Pup , 1 1/2 , Trip’ ….etcetc.

Thus overall , dependant VERY much on which types of Sopwith machines were operational in the area , & at that time ,…. I tend to wonder if it could be from an early type such as Tabloid/Schneider perhaps .(from the latter fittings downward lug ).

Hello again guys .
A word of caution …Don’t get Too fixated about the remains being from a Pup , unless it is Confirmed that All the Known and Unaccounted-for Sopwith crashes in the area during WWI ,…were in fact ONLY Pups .

The fittings are as previously stated , Standard Sopwith Fuselage fittings .
The one held in the Left hand definately being an ” SL standard type” . However , these were made in a series of sizes to suit the Tapering down (from front to rear ) section of the Fuselage longerons …therefore , without dimensions , one cannot say exactly which SL # it is & also to say where it comes from .
It “could” in fact , ( were it not for other evidence ) , have been fitted of almost ANY Sopwith machine from Tabloid era , via Pup etc through to Snipe .
However , judging from its size etc. , it would likely have been situated close to just behind the pilots position , on an upper or lower longeron , to locate the vertical & horizontal cross member ,. It has the remains of the diagonal wire bracings attached .

The other fitting in the Right hand appears to be a smaller size & comming from farther back in the fuselage .
This fitting however “appears” to have a wiring lug facing ” Outward ” ,…which doesn’t immediately seem to tie in with a Pup , and so this one may ? NOT? be a SL type , & could be specific to one Sopwith Type only.
I have to say now , that I am no Sopwith expert ,..One would have to go through the Drawings to say for sure …. so they “could” be from a Pup , 1 1/2 , Trip’ ….etcetc.

Thus overall , dependant VERY much on which types of Sopwith machines were operational in the area , & at that time ,…. I tend to wonder if it could be from an early type such as Tabloid/Schneider perhaps .(from the latter fittings downward lug ).

Steady, may not be a Pup. As Powerfix said, these are fairly standard Sopwith parts. They look like fuselage components to me

Richard

Steady, may not be a Pup. As Powerfix said, these are fairly standard Sopwith parts. They look like fuselage components to me

Richard

Thanks guys I have let the person on AB-IX who sent me the link your doubts!

If we think identifying a P-40 is hard, think about a Sopwith Pup!

Thanks guys I have let the person on AB-IX who sent me the link your doubts!

If we think identifying a P-40 is hard, think about a Sopwith Pup!

He’s right you know. I’ll dig out my Pup book later, it should be possible to say what each one did

Richard

He’s right you know. I’ll dig out my Pup book later, it should be possible to say what each one did

Richard

Sorry….. Not a Nieuport !

The two fittings shown in the accompanying photo in the above Link , are definately NOT Nieuport parts at all …..( N11–27 used a totally different form of fitting in rear fus., being bent up from an appx. “H” shaped blank ,..other Fwd fittings were individual & from thicker steel .)

The photos show , in fact , standard SOPWITH , SL –( fuselage) clips & British AGS (2BA) turnbuckles .

This therefore should be presumed to be the wreckage of a Sopwith machine and the records should be further examined in the light of this .

Sorry….. Not a Nieuport !

The two fittings shown in the accompanying photo in the above Link , are definately NOT Nieuport parts at all …..( N11–27 used a totally different form of fitting in rear fus., being bent up from an appx. “H” shaped blank ,..other Fwd fittings were individual & from thicker steel .)

The photos show , in fact , standard SOPWITH , SL –( fuselage) clips & British AGS (2BA) turnbuckles .

This therefore should be presumed to be the wreckage of a Sopwith machine and the records should be further examined in the light of this .