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Help with Type 464 Lancaster reconstruction please

I think I’ve got most of the details right now on this digital artwork but would appreciate some expert critique if anyone cares to assist?

Lancaster B III Type 464 Provisioning, ED912 / AJ-N: the 617 Squadron plane flown by Les Knight that breached the Eder Dam in May 1943. (picture, extended info).

Work done – and the queries I’d still like answered if possible:

Mid-upper turret removed – should there be a visible blanking
plate? (I’ve seen an in-flight photo of Gibson’s plane, AJ-G, where the patch is obvious).
Bomb bay cut away and faired.
Upkeep release mechanism fitted.
Bomb aimer’s blister enlarged.
Old type pitot tube fitted (newer one removed).
H type aerial removed, others added.
Lincoln rudders reprofiled as Lancaster ones.
Side windows fitted.
Engine exhaust flame damper fitted.
Registration number and squadron code added.
Top red navigation beacon removed.

Does anyone know for sure whether AJ-N had the ventral gun actually fitted? They were in the spec for this type but not always installed, I understand.

Similarly, it should properly be ED912/G, but I don’t think the “G”s were painted on the aircraft…?

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 19:03

Hmm … trouble is, it’s clear various things were designed/drawn, maybe even fitted to prototypes, but not necessarily on the raid a/c. Anyway thanks again!

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 19:03

Hmm … trouble is, it’s clear various things were designed/drawn, maybe even fitted to prototypes, but not necessarily on the raid a/c. Anyway thanks again!

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By: Eddie - 12th May 2012 at 17:49

Aha – this thread should help:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=78626

It has the photo I’m referring to posted by Air Ministry.

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By: Eddie - 12th May 2012 at 17:49

Aha – this thread should help:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=78626

It has the photo I’m referring to posted by Air Ministry.

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 17:46

That’s really useful thanks.

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 17:46

That’s really useful thanks.

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By: Eddie - 12th May 2012 at 17:39

I have a photo taken from the starboard side with the aircraft banking away. The dipole aerial is silhouetted along the bottom of the aircraft. It’s absolutely, 100% there (on that aircraft, at that time).

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By: Eddie - 12th May 2012 at 17:39

I have a photo taken from the starboard side with the aircraft banking away. The dipole aerial is silhouetted along the bottom of the aircraft. It’s absolutely, 100% there (on that aircraft, at that time).

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 17:24

Ah – thanks Eddie. Might I ask, how do you know? I’m looking at a photo of ED817 in the Jonathan Falconer book (Bruce Robertson collection) in which it does not have one although it is very hard to tell! :confused:

ah it’s this pic: http://www.aviationbanter.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51336&d=1314920090

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 17:24

Ah – thanks Eddie. Might I ask, how do you know? I’m looking at a photo of ED817 in the Jonathan Falconer book (Bruce Robertson collection) in which it does not have one although it is very hard to tell! :confused:

ah it’s this pic: http://www.aviationbanter.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51336&d=1314920090

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By: Eddie - 12th May 2012 at 14:29

ED817 (a type 464 – AJ-C) definitely had the dipole aerial under the rear fuselage. ED930 and ED953 which were contemporary Lancs, had two landing lights. I don’t see anything conclusive either way on the 464 Lancs, so the balance of the evidence points to two landing lights.

We had a discussion on here some time ago and there was some evidence that Canadian Lancs (at least when built) had one light, but with the station there for the second light.

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By: Eddie - 12th May 2012 at 14:29

ED817 (a type 464 – AJ-C) definitely had the dipole aerial under the rear fuselage. ED930 and ED953 which were contemporary Lancs, had two landing lights. I don’t see anything conclusive either way on the 464 Lancs, so the balance of the evidence points to two landing lights.

We had a discussion on here some time ago and there was some evidence that Canadian Lancs (at least when built) had one light, but with the station there for the second light.

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 12:22

Sounds like a plan.

I see you show two landing lights. Avro’s drawing shows one (port only). I know PA474 has two these days but wondered whether the second was a later requirement … ?

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 12:22

Sounds like a plan.

I see you show two landing lights. Avro’s drawing shows one (port only). I know PA474 has two these days but wondered whether the second was a later requirement … ?

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By: spitfireman - 12th May 2012 at 12:17

I like to see the quality first.

I’ll get there, hoping before next years anniversary.

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By: spitfireman - 12th May 2012 at 12:17

I like to see the quality first.

I’ll get there, hoping before next years anniversary.

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 12:14

That’s superb. Can’t you offer them via a POD site … ?

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By: garyeason - 12th May 2012 at 12:14

That’s superb. Can’t you offer them via a POD site … ?

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By: spitfireman - 12th May 2012 at 12:12

Down to money!

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By: spitfireman - 12th May 2012 at 12:12

Down to money!

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