I find these peregrinations fascinating, but two esteemed members of the forum butting heads like elk in the forest, distracting. Gentlemen, keep playing the ball, it is fascinating. Still, it would be fun to be a second to either of you in a duel, with historically accurate ball and powder, some wretched maiden rushing on a foaming horse in the distance to stop her lovers in their madness, gratefully succeeding and allowing us all to retire to a few pints in the pub.