I have found a few interesting photos of warbird aircraft i suspect others would like to see regarding operations of ex Japanese aircraft by the French military during operations over Vietnam after WW2.
I see a few rare images such as a G4M Betty and a floatplane and Zero in French colours?
Hope this is of use to others in aviation research and modelling on a era rarely shown.
http://www.vietnam-airsoft.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1795&start=80
Regards
Phil
By: Daniel - 4th January 2012 at 08:35
More information on French use of Jap aircraft after WW2 see this link
Phil
By: Daniel - 4th January 2012 at 08:35
More information on French use of Jap aircraft after WW2 see this link
Phil
By: Discendo Duces - 3rd January 2012 at 20:26
French Oscar
“Watched by a Japanese POW, an RAF officer gives a final briefing to a nervous looking Frenchman who is about to risk his neck in the rather tired-looking ‘Oscar’ ..”
Actually I’ve just made that up, but it could be true. Lots of former Japanese types on this site, nearly all seem to have been taken over by the French:
Pagen
3 Ki-43 ‘Oscar’, ‘D’ Armee d l’Air (?)
No doubt in my mind .
.DD
By: Discendo Duces - 3rd January 2012 at 20:26
French Oscar
“Watched by a Japanese POW, an RAF officer gives a final briefing to a nervous looking Frenchman who is about to risk his neck in the rather tired-looking ‘Oscar’ ..”
Actually I’ve just made that up, but it could be true. Lots of former Japanese types on this site, nearly all seem to have been taken over by the French:
Pagen
3 Ki-43 ‘Oscar’, ‘D’ Armee d l’Air (?)
No doubt in my mind .
.DD
By: Canuck - 3rd January 2012 at 16:59
Oh, Pagey…
By: Canuck - 3rd January 2012 at 16:59
Oh, Pagey…
By: pagen01 - 3rd January 2012 at 11:31
3 Ki-43 ‘Oscar’, ‘D’ Armee d l’Air (?)
4 Aichi E13A ‘Jake’ 8.S.1, Aeronavale’ L’escadrille 8S
6 same Aichi as above
According to Wiki the French used eight E13As.
good list of Japanese types operated by other forces here, http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/jinforeign.htm
By: pagen01 - 3rd January 2012 at 11:31
3 Ki-43 ‘Oscar’, ‘D’ Armee d l’Air (?)
4 Aichi E13A ‘Jake’ 8.S.1, Aeronavale’ L’escadrille 8S
6 same Aichi as above
According to Wiki the French used eight E13As.
good list of Japanese types operated by other forces here, http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/jinforeign.htm
By: Peter D Evans - 3rd January 2012 at 10:36
The following is reproduced from “War Prizes” by P.Butler [Midland, 1994]:
The French forces in Indo-China after the Japanese surrender in 1945 utilised a number of Japanese aircraft. Details of these are incomplete, but known information [in 1994] is as follows:
Also, in the link provided in post #1 above (from top to bottom) the following photos are also included in the same volume:
1 – “Zeke” BI-12 in ATAIU-SEA markings on a flight from Tebrau
2 – The radar equipped Mitsubishi G4M “Betty” bomber coded FI-II of the IJN, flying from Tebrau in Malaya in ATAIU-SEA markings
3 – ?
4 – ?
5 – An air-to-air photo of two Mitsubishi J2M “Jacks”, BI-01 and BI-02, flying near Tebrau in 1946.
6 – ?
[NB: ATAIU-SEA = Allied Technical Air Intelligence Unit South East Asia]
Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator
By: Peter D Evans - 3rd January 2012 at 10:36
The following is reproduced from “War Prizes” by P.Butler [Midland, 1994]:
The French forces in Indo-China after the Japanese surrender in 1945 utilised a number of Japanese aircraft. Details of these are incomplete, but known information [in 1994] is as follows:
Also, in the link provided in post #1 above (from top to bottom) the following photos are also included in the same volume:
1 – “Zeke” BI-12 in ATAIU-SEA markings on a flight from Tebrau
2 – The radar equipped Mitsubishi G4M “Betty” bomber coded FI-II of the IJN, flying from Tebrau in Malaya in ATAIU-SEA markings
3 – ?
4 – ?
5 – An air-to-air photo of two Mitsubishi J2M “Jacks”, BI-01 and BI-02, flying near Tebrau in 1946.
6 – ?
[NB: ATAIU-SEA = Allied Technical Air Intelligence Unit South East Asia]
Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator
By: Snoopy7422 - 3rd January 2012 at 03:36
Huh…?
“Jap planes”? (In the thread title.) How about a thread on Guinea planes,or maybe Spic planes?
Is that ‘Jap Planes’ as in… ‘Brit Planes’..? Or ‘Yank Planes’..? ..or Aussie Planes…? Really, whilst ‘Jap’ is hardly a term of endearment, just as with ‘Nip’, it’s really a simple linguistic contraction, rather like, well ‘planes’ really…. Shortening a nations name can hardly be be termed as a racial slur per se. I doubt Cobber Kain, Paddy Finucain and a few million ‘Limeys’ were much stirred by their epithets either. What is much more offensive is the way words are used.
I’d much rather object to the term ‘plane’ for myself. An awfully naff term, especially in an aviation forum in my view. Very Daily Mirror. A plane is something that correctly placed on it’s side. :diablo: Happy New Year by the way….;)
Interesting thread btw…:)
By: Snoopy7422 - 3rd January 2012 at 03:36
Huh…?
“Jap planes”? (In the thread title.) How about a thread on Guinea planes,or maybe Spic planes?
Is that ‘Jap Planes’ as in… ‘Brit Planes’..? Or ‘Yank Planes’..? ..or Aussie Planes…? Really, whilst ‘Jap’ is hardly a term of endearment, just as with ‘Nip’, it’s really a simple linguistic contraction, rather like, well ‘planes’ really…. Shortening a nations name can hardly be be termed as a racial slur per se. I doubt Cobber Kain, Paddy Finucain and a few million ‘Limeys’ were much stirred by their epithets either. What is much more offensive is the way words are used.
I’d much rather object to the term ‘plane’ for myself. An awfully naff term, especially in an aviation forum in my view. Very Daily Mirror. A plane is something that correctly placed on it’s side. :diablo: Happy New Year by the way….;)
Interesting thread btw…:)
By: J Boyle - 3rd January 2012 at 03:00
It’s not usually a racial slur in the UK (or at least I never thought of it as one growing up).
I’ve always thought it was in bad taste.
It may have been a harmless abbreviation at one time, but it became a slur during the war…and remains such, IMHO.
By: J Boyle - 3rd January 2012 at 03:00
It’s not usually a racial slur in the UK (or at least I never thought of it as one growing up).
I’ve always thought it was in bad taste.
It may have been a harmless abbreviation at one time, but it became a slur during the war…and remains such, IMHO.
By: cthornburg - 3rd January 2012 at 00:50
The French also used to what extent?
Mitsubishi Ki.21, Ki.30, Ki.51, Ki.46
Mitsubishi A6M?
Nakajima Ki.34
Tachikawa Ki.54, Ki.36
Chris
By: cthornburg - 3rd January 2012 at 00:50
The French also used to what extent?
Mitsubishi Ki.21, Ki.30, Ki.51, Ki.46
Mitsubishi A6M?
Nakajima Ki.34
Tachikawa Ki.54, Ki.36
Chris
By: Eddie - 3rd January 2012 at 00:45
“Jap planes”? (In the thread title.) How about a thread on Guinea planes,or maybe Spic planes?
It’s not usually a racial slur in the UK (or at least I never thought of it as one growing up).
Guinea is a new one on me – I had to look it up!
By: Eddie - 3rd January 2012 at 00:45
“Jap planes”? (In the thread title.) How about a thread on Guinea planes,or maybe Spic planes?
It’s not usually a racial slur in the UK (or at least I never thought of it as one growing up).
Guinea is a new one on me – I had to look it up!
By: Discendo Duces - 3rd January 2012 at 00:28
Bager 1968 explains it perfectly.
I would just add :
According to ” French Air Force, 1941-74″ , A. Van Haute, two fighter units were hastily despatched to Indo-China with their Spitfire IXs, but as the aircrew arrived at Saigon before their aircraft, they were compelled to start flying in captured Japanese planes. These took the form of 12 Nakajima Ki43 ‘Oscars’.
As for the Aeronavale ‘Jake’, a bit of googling came up with this, apparently Escadrille 8S had 4 of them :
http://www.postedeschoufs.com/aeronavale/1946_1962/5%20L’Indochine/l_indochine.htm
HTH
DD
By: Discendo Duces - 3rd January 2012 at 00:28
Bager 1968 explains it perfectly.
I would just add :
According to ” French Air Force, 1941-74″ , A. Van Haute, two fighter units were hastily despatched to Indo-China with their Spitfire IXs, but as the aircrew arrived at Saigon before their aircraft, they were compelled to start flying in captured Japanese planes. These took the form of 12 Nakajima Ki43 ‘Oscars’.
As for the Aeronavale ‘Jake’, a bit of googling came up with this, apparently Escadrille 8S had 4 of them :
http://www.postedeschoufs.com/aeronavale/1946_1962/5%20L’Indochine/l_indochine.htm
HTH
DD
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