Its time for a forsale/trade page here

Aerojumbles you have to physically be there, and ebay charge a fee.

Whilst I think the point you raised has been responded to, the fact of the matter is that one doesn’t get anything for free these days. At least, not anything for free that somebody else has funded – ie, and as in this case, a forum sponsored by a commercial enterprise. Its a bit like asking an aerojumble organiser (or even e-bay!) to allow someone to trade for free, or give free admission!

In respect of plugging events like Shoreham, for example, it is a fact that we advertise with FlyPast (not cheap…and that isn’t a complaint!!) and at least two other Key publishing titles and in that respect my understanding is that the ‘plug’ is acceptable. Not only that, and whilst it is a commercial event, it is one that a good many aviation enthusiasts attend or want to know about. In fact, its no different really to the frequent plugs for other aviation events such as airshows and the like. Again, they are all commercial enterprises but are of huge interest and benefit to those who visit the forum.

Quite a few other fora (particularly car interest type) have a ‘premium membership’ option which is an anual subscription. This allows you to post in certain sub-forum such as for-sale.

Key could be really quite clever and also have a section for Business sellers, perhaps as sponsorship or by monthly renewable membership, where a bonefide business seller could post ads. This would be a fair way to operate, and allow collectors to sell/barter for a modest fee, keep out the spammers, and ensure that business sellers (you all know who you/they are 😀 ) pay a fair business rate.

I take out magazine advertising from time to time for my business (not aviation related I might add) and it can be pretty expensive, even for small line entries in the classifieds. Most one-off sellers wouldn’t want to pay the sort of charges magazines have on their rate cards, so it’s a bit short-sighted of Key to believe that they are loosing revenue by allowing ad threads on the forum. But business sellers are another matter, and I can understand their reluctance to open up a for sale section as it will inevitably be monopolised by a few businesses taking advantage of a ‘free ride’.

Surely it would be possible to set up a system where people could pay to post items for sale on a sub forum. Simple and Key would probably do quite well out of it.

Hi everyone , realistly these days how many people would advertise a forsale item in any magazine , the whole point of the web was that is world wide , personally i would never look in flypast classifieds as being in Australia by the time i found the item rang an international number only to be told the item was sold weeks before .

As for my own stuff which i sell privatly quite a few deals have being done with forum members ‘ under the table ‘ via pm etc i do not run a business but would be happy to pay say a annual fee for this type of service.

Some rules could be

Must be a forum member of good standing

No reproduction items to be sold

Only one item per month (this stops a flood of items from one person

Annual fee payable

cheers dave

I know a bloke that wants to sell the propellor off an old aeroplane. It’s being sold in a very good cause. I think that he wants to give some of the sale proceeds to charity. I assume, messrs mods, that I can post the full details of what’s on offer, the price and how to go about buying it. I’m sure that’ll work out fine. It’s not opening the floodgates, is it? Surely it’s within reason. It’ll be done very quietly. Those people who say it’s not what you do but how you do it, that’s all tosh, isn’t it!

Yes within reason we have allowed it to quietly happen that is not to say we are allowing the floodgates to be opened. It seems to work out fine right now Anyone have one of these etc etc type posts and followed up with pms..

My personal thoughts is that it would be good o have a forsale section as most other forums seem to be able to accomodate this. However i understand Key publishings concerns, if they didn’t make money we wouldn’t have an excellent magazine or a free Internet forum such as This. However perhaps we could be met half way and have advertisements for the following:
1) Free promotions for events, gatherings,air shows and museums. This could be in the interest of keeping historic aviation ‘alive and well’.
2) A free wants page for somebody who is looking for that elusive item for their restoration projects or collection.

This then leaves the for sale section still intact for it to be included in the back of the magazine in order to generate some income or the company.

Correct me if I am wrong but don’t the moderators currently allow this to happen ??. Things like cockpit fest and aero jumbles get a free plug and the odd mention from people looking for that elusive item for their project. A lot of us must be guilt on the latter one and a good few on the forum chipping in with I have got one of those I will pm you ??.

Sorry personal view is at the moment it ain’t broke so why are we trying to fix it ??

Anyone found a Whirlwind fighter in a scrap yard need parts ?:D:D:D:D:D

Mike E

www.whirlwindfighterproject.org

Your supposed to say first ‘its a family posession and I would never part with it’ To which the reply is ‘for insurance purposes it would insure it for xxx’ ! Which then equates to a broad smile and the thought stuff the grand kids -Barbados sounds nice at this time of year!

Personally I wouldn’t mind an ‘Antiques Roadshow’ approach the experts give a history or value to an object then it’s up to the owner if he/she/they want to sell it else where. The experts here can share some of the vast knowledge that’s on this forum. Might also uncover lost aero artifacts – so who’s goning to be Arthur Negus?

So what does a Spitfire mainwheel go for these days? (PA908 in this case)

Edit:
It’s a family posession and I would never part with it 😉

By the way -if you are Mr Smith I am not picking on you ! Just the generic
‘Mr Smith’ !

Where do you draw the line? What if Mr Smith quite likes the response to selling one instrument and starts offering one a week? How do you decide if this is a business or private seller?

I would have thought that it’s possible to reach a compromise here. Key Publishing obviously need to sell advertising in order to maintain the revenue stream, but Mr Smith with a one off aircraft part to sell wont pay for an advert in Key. Could the compromise not be that it’s private sales and wants only… If you’re running a business then you need to pay for advertising, if you’re a private individual with a part to sell or a wish list for your project, then it’s free via the forum. Just a thought. I certainly think it would be useful.

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My personal thoughts is that it would be good o have a forsale section as most other forums seem to be able to accomodate this. However i understand Key publishings concerns, if they didn’t make money we wouldn’t have an excellent magazine or a free Internet forum such as This. However perhaps we could be met half way and have advertisements for the following:
1) Free promotions for events, gatherings,air shows and museums. This could be in the interest of keeping historic aviation ‘alive and well’.
2) A free wants page for somebody who is looking for that elusive item for their restoration projects or collection.

This then leaves the for sale section still intact for it to be included in the back of the magazine in order to generate some income or the company.

A bit like free valuations so people can set their Ebay price at the right level?

Antiques Roadshow

Personally I wouldn’t mind an ‘Antiques Roadshow’ approach the experts give a history or value to an object then it’s up to the owner if he/she/they want to sell it else where. The experts here can share some of the vast knowledge that’s on this forum. Might also uncover lost aero artifacts – so who’s goning to be Arthur Negus?

Dogtail -You have answered the question! Whats the point of paying to have a website and then letting people advertise for free!

Aerojumbles you have to physically be there, and ebay charge a fee.

Hi
My personal thoughts are no.
I think sales/trades are for places like aerojumbles and e bay.
cheers
jerry

There is a ‘classified ads’ section for members over on the First War oriented ‘The Aerodrome’. It seems to work very well and I have found it quite useful.

Maybe the mod forum will give some thought to producing clear guidelines as to what advertising – in the broadest sense of the word – is permitted on this forum and, if so, adhere to those subsequently. At present there is a short, simple rule set out in the Code of Conduct which says:

“Advertising of products and services is unacceptable, if you wish to advertise please contact our advertising team on +44(0)1780755131 or email [email]info@keypublishing.com[/email]”

However hitherto the application of the rule seems to have been dependant on the whim of the moderators – for example, advertising on this forum is permissible if the seller is a charity or it’s in a ‘good cause’ or it’s indirect. It’s rather like the legislature enacting legislation and the judiciary (à la Lord Denning, God rest his soul) deciding that it means what they think it should mean!

On this forum, at present, it’s impossible to determine what is and is not advertising – or should I say permitted advertising – without going to a moderator for a preliminary ruling or just posting and seeing what happens. What’s the point of having a code of conduct if no-one, except perhaps the moderators, knows what it means!