Do these new build ASH engined FW190 A8N’s sound like a FW 190 should?
I confess to being under-impressed. In my brain I link an Fw190 with a smooth powerful roar, along the lines of say a Corsair or similar, or indeed pretty well every other radial I’ve ever heard. With one exception.
I witnessed a Polikarpov, I16 I think it was, at Wanaka in 2004 and it had that same sound as these new builds. Lumpy, lumpy, slowly, slowly.
I’m sorry but I just don’t like that sound. To me it sounds, sort-of … well, gutless. There you go I’ve said it.
So … to my original query, is that what an Fw190 actually sounds/sounded like?
What about the Paul Allen BMW 801 powered one? Has that been heard on song?
Thanks all, Don
By: Stepwilk - 26th April 2011 at 15:26
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Makes sense. The lower cylinders on a radial would collect more oil, since the oil obviously drains downward. And when a big, many-cylinder radial is idling, you can see how slowly it makes the circuit of all the cylinders firing by how [in]frequently the oil puffs come out.
By: cotteswold - 25th April 2011 at 16:04
Aha!!
Whatever, having done a quick tour of You-tube, I have to admit that my memory has failed once again – they all smoke nicely!!
= Tim
By: Mark V - 25th April 2011 at 14:23
Yes Tim, it would include the P&W R2800 and the Wright units – by calling them ‘twin row’ I was merely trying to distinguish these large engines from their smaller cousins rather than be specific on any particular unit.
By: cotteswold - 25th April 2011 at 13:15
“Twin row” – does that include the P&W (P47) & the Wright (Vengeance)?
= Tim
By: Mark V - 25th April 2011 at 13:11
Can’t say I recall any big twin row radials being smooth or smokeless on start up!
By: pagen01 - 25th April 2011 at 12:15
Blimey Tim, more great types that you have flown?
By: cotteswold - 25th April 2011 at 12:07
I can now see why I keep getting logged out – it’s to stop me making stupid remarks like flew both F4U & Fw190 & never noticed the smoke.
Both great ‘planes!
= Tim
By: Nashio966 - 25th April 2011 at 11:19
in the video on their startup page, she sounds ROUGH as hell – thats a really lumpy idle lol!
looks like it was puffing out oil for a particular cylinder/s?
By: Smith - 25th April 2011 at 08:11
Black 6 sounded absolutely stunning – I remember the sound of her flying over long before I remember the sound of a merlin 🙂
Nothing sounded as good as she did imho
Black 6? That’s no Fw! That said, I concur; I love the sound of those DB V12s, including the supercharger “whistle”.
And thanks folks for the comments re oil … makes a lot of sense.
I’m also thinking about the doppler effect, the sound I don’t like is as the Fw’s fly away … and that’s obviously a slower sound.
D
By: galdri - 25th April 2011 at 03:04
Stepwilk, I´m with you there. I´ve finally watched the start up of the BMW 801 posted by FHC on Facebook. This was absolutely oil smoke, not over rich. Oil smoke is blue-ish in colour, the over rich smoke is very black!
By: Stepwilk - 25th April 2011 at 00:46
“I note enormous amounts of smoke firing up these old radials (not just on these Fws) – and if I’m hearing it right, a lot of misfiring until the engines settle down. Why is that?”
It’s not the classic “running rich,” it’s oil. Air-cooled engines of any sort, with some dissimilar metals and lots of different coefficents of expansion as they warm–whether it’s my old 911 racecar or a Pratt & Whitney–allow a fair amount of oil to seep into the combustion chambers after they shut down. Sometimes so much so that the bottom-most cylinder[s] on a radial will collect enough oil to create a hydraulic lock, if they’ve been standing long enough.
That’s the reason radials smoke a lot on startup, whether they’re old or brand-new: they’re purging themselves of lots of oil in the combustion chambers.
By: Nashio966 - 25th April 2011 at 00:16
Black 6 sounded absolutely stunning – I remember the sound of her flying over long before I remember the sound of a merlin 🙂
Nothing sounded as good as she did imho
By: lumpy - 24th April 2011 at 23:38
Personally I thought the Ash engined FW190 sounded good . Whilst it wasnt the same sound as a Corsair , it certainly wasnt like an I 16 either .
I would suspect that much of the noise you hear in flight is prop noise , and since its a different configuration from the Corsair its bound to sound different . Just my opinion , but I liked it .
By: Augsburgeagle - 24th April 2011 at 13:47
By: Bruce - 24th April 2011 at 13:45
No, the Chinese engine is essentially a copy of an American engine, not a BMW.
Bruce
By: Arabella-Cox - 24th April 2011 at 12:54
I thought that the former french Flugwerk FW-190 that crash landed in sea near Hyeres had a chinese engine which was a copy of a russian copy of the German BMW engine that was once used in the real FW190’s
By: Peter D Evans - 24th April 2011 at 11:51
There was a comment on the Facebook start-up clip that the mixture may well have been a touch rich, hence the smoke and miss-firing. I’m sure one of our engine experts will chime in with a good reason though…
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By: Smith - 24th April 2011 at 11:36
Thank you Daren & Peter
I guess there’s not a lot in it? The BMW sounds a little harsher/harder if you know what i mean. But that could be down to the quality of the various recordings on Facebook and youTube.
I note enormous amounts of smoke firing up these old radials (not just on these Fws) – and if I’m hearing it right, a lot of misfiring until the engines settle down. Why is that?
thanks, D
By: hampden98 - 24th April 2011 at 11:29
Me109G `Black 6` sounded more rough and gruff than the refined sound of a Merlin.
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