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Arab Hurricane Two-Seater

This time a comparedly easy question. You see this Hurricane two-seater trainer in the colours of some Arab-British air force. I don’t know exactly which (most probable Egypt or Iraqi), but a lot of you surely does.

Thank you!

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By: Dan Johnson - 3rd August 2011 at 09:14

I seem to remember an article (in Aeroplane?) some years ago about Hawker Restorations? They had the basis of a 2 seat Hurricane that one day might join the restoration queue.
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That’s the one. Couldn’t remember who was restoring it. They are basing it on the ones from the 350th pictured in my other post.

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By: mmitch - 3rd August 2011 at 09:01

I seem to remember an article (in Aeroplane?) some years ago about Hawker Restorations? They had the basis of a 2 seat Hurricane that one day might join the restoration queue.
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By: Dan Johnson - 3rd August 2011 at 08:39

Reading the thread about G-AIDN, made me wonder about 2-seater Hurricanes, whereupon I found this thread.

I wonder why we don’t see any 2-seaters today ? (As far as I know)

Is it because, there being fewer Hurricanes flying, nobody wants to convert
one ?
Or is it that the construction of the Hurricane doesn’t lend itself to being
converted ?

I remember reading a while back that there was a Hurricane being done as a two seater based on the Hurricanes that were converted by the USAAF 350th Fighter Group during WW2. Each squadron had their own two seat Hurricane.

You can see a picture of the 345th bird on the 350th FG Blog. The Pilot in the photo, Earl Miller is still with us.

http://homepage.mac.com/vizcarraguitars/Hurricanes/index.html

http://homepage.mac.com/vizcarraguitars/Hurricanes/pictures/picture-2.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/vizcarraguitars/Hurricanes/pictures/picture-10.jpg

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By: DaveM2 - 3rd August 2011 at 08:19

I remember some years ago in one of the UK mags assistance was being sought by one of the Iranian museums to help in the restoration of a two seat Huricane, and P-47 among others which were in storage. Anyone remember this or know more?

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By: AlanR - 3rd August 2011 at 07:16

Reading the thread about G-AIDN, made me wonder about 2-seater Hurricanes, whereupon I found this thread.

I wonder why we don’t see any 2-seaters today ? (As far as I know)

Is it because, there being fewer Hurricanes flying, nobody wants to convert
one ?
Or is it that the construction of the Hurricane doesn’t lend itself to being
converted ?

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By: Bager1968 - 19th April 2011 at 02:15

So can we now expect a bunch of Hurricane owners to convert their aircraft to 2 seat versions like the slew of 2 seat Spitfires? 😉

I had always fancied taking a P-38M and fitting the pathfinder nose onto it.

That way you could take 2 adult passengers up.

P-38 pathfinder (droopsnoot):
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/Bager1968/Aircraft/WW2%20fighters/P-38droop.jpg

P-38M (in day paint, without flash suppressors or radar):
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/Bager1968/Aircraft/WW2%20fighters/P-38M1.jpg

P-38M in full night fit:
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/PippinBill/5211L.jpg

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By: wieesso - 18th April 2011 at 06:14

Another photo of a two seater as supplied to the Persian Air Force who received two examples, T.llC’s.

http://www.artiklar.z-bok.se/Iran-2.html

Guess it’s the same ac – look at the serials 2-31…

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By: ZRX61 - 18th April 2011 at 05:42

So can we now expect a bunch of Hurricane owners to convert their aircraft to 2 seat versions like the slew of 2 seat Spitfires? 😉

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By: pobjoy pete - 18th April 2011 at 00:25

Hurricane two seater

Aircraft had to be fitted with a Tempest canopy over the rear cockpit before delivery.

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By: Romantic Techno - 17th April 2011 at 17:44

So Islamic, but not Arab!:diablo:

Thank you for the answers and let me quote from the link Newforest gave:

A Hawker Hurricane, L2079, was shipped to Iran for a six-month test on July 28, 1939. It arrived at Ahvaz and was flown to Tehran by Hawker test pilot Richard Reynell on 18 October. An order was placed for 30 Hurricanes with Merlin III engines, but the Air Ministry only agreed to release 15, to be despatched during the period March-September 1940. The contract for these was concluded in December 1939, but delivery was delayed by problems with the development of a tropical air filter. A second aircraft, P3270, was flown in Persian colours in Great Britain in May 1940 (s/n 252), but was probably never sent. The Air Ministry finally suspended the Hurricane order in December 1940.
When only half of the Hurricane order was released for delivery it was quickly decided to build the remaining 15 aircraft at the Iranian Aircraft Factory and raw material and finished parts were ordered in Great Britain early in 1941. For political reasons (strong German influence in Iran) the material needed for the Hurricane production was held up, however, in order not to strengthen the IIAF. In June it was decided to send material for 12 Hurricane Mk IIs with Merlin XX engines instead, with the first shipment due for immediate departure. The material was in fact released only in order to retain the British personnel still working at the Iranian Aircraft Factory – Technical Adviser Frank Knight and eleven other Englishmen. With political tension building up there were new delays and on August 25, the export licence for the material was withdrawn.

On the picture I think to see an English hedge landscape underneath, so we probably see the second Hurricane trainer which was probably never sent to Iran.

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By: Newforest - 17th April 2011 at 16:20

Another photo of a two seater as supplied to the Persian Air Force who received two examples, T.llC’s.

http://www.artiklar.z-bok.se/Iran-2.html

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By: chumpy - 17th April 2011 at 15:57

Iran..or should I say Persia, as it was called back then.

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