Cross posted from http://www.flyer.co.uk/news/newsfeed.php?artnum=1075
Ex-military Permit to Fly aircraft will now be able to carry up to four occupants, the CAA has announced.
The CAA said that the previous ambiguity as to the maximum number of occupants permitted for carriage in ex-military aircraft necessitated a review of CAA policy. Previously, the only permitted occupants of ex-military helicopters, for example, other than flight crew, were two ground crew required for maintenance of the aircraft away from base.
The CAA said the new policy would mean the maximum number of occupants in all ex-military aircraft would be limited to the number of seats fitted, or four persons, whichever is the more restrictive. In special circumstances, such as military versions of civil types, more passengers may be permitted.
Owners of some ex-military aircraft may now need to be issued with a new Airworthiness Approval Note (AAN) and Permit to Fly reflecting the change in policy. Whilst the AANs, and associated exemption to the Air Navigation Order, can be issued within the next month to supersede any current limitations, permits will be re-issued at the time of annual re-validation.
Also being introduced, following the consultation, is a requirement for ex-military aircraft to display a more readily understandable placard warning. This identifies that the aircraft should not be used for commercial passenger flights.
Moggy
By: Scotiaq - 18th January 2011 at 13:54
They are not nicknamed : the Campaign Against Aviation for nothing.
Sq
By: Firebex - 17th January 2011 at 22:15
Things to remember guys the CAA never does anything for nothing and they look for fill loop holes by creating new ones of their own.
The section regarding owners having to seek new approval to meet the changes could open up an dinteresting can of worms.
Might I suggest we watch this space with interest and perhaps hold our breaths in anticipation.
By: VX927 - 17th January 2011 at 20:56
Finally… I bit of common sense from the CAA. Always seemed ludicrous to me. You could have 2 Gazelle’s… One was legal with 3 passengers, and one couldn’t have any. Crazy… I think this has to be good news for ex military aircraft operators.
By: The Blue Max - 17th January 2011 at 19:49
“Owners of some ex-military aircraft may now need to be issued with a new Airworthiness Approval Note (AAN) and Permit to Fly reflecting the change in policy”
Bear in mind that the issue of a new AAN requires a thorough review and investigation of the aircraft’s status and will cost several thousand pounds in CAA time alone.
An issue of an initial one yes thats the case, I take it from that wording that in this instance the CAA will issue a new one where required to reflect the changes.
By: Bograt - 17th January 2011 at 17:35
“Owners of some ex-military aircraft may now need to be issued with a new Airworthiness Approval Note (AAN) and Permit to Fly reflecting the change in policy”
Bear in mind that the issue of a new AAN requires a thorough review and investigation of the aircraft’s status and will cost several thousand pounds in CAA time alone.
By: Mark V - 17th January 2011 at 16:54
You are probably thinking of the consultation which took place in the Autumn
Moggy
The link in my first post gives details of the feedback receieved from that consultation process. It does acknowledge that it does not have a significant bearing on many fixed-wing types.
By: TonyT - 17th January 2011 at 16:38
Crew are not passengers!! though some of the ones I have worked with might well of been.
By: DaveF68 - 17th January 2011 at 16:21
The CAA said the new policy would mean the maximum number of occupants in all ex-military aircraft would be limited to the number of seats fitted, or four persons, whichever is the more restrictive. In special circumstances, such as military versions of civil types, more passengers may be permitted.
So does this mean the Vulcan is restricted to 4 crew?
By: Yak 11 Fan - 17th January 2011 at 14:29
Guess I am…..
By: Moggy C - 17th January 2011 at 14:09
You are probably thinking of the consultation which took place in the Autumn
Moggy
By: Yak 11 Fan - 17th January 2011 at 14:02
Thought this came out mid to late last year….
By: Mark V - 17th January 2011 at 13:38
The last sentence suggests that little has changed!
Err yes, for a moment it looked like a significant re-think.
More info and Permit holder comments here: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2042/Synopsis%20-%20LoC%20-%20Ex-mil%20Final.pdf
By: Bruce - 17th January 2011 at 13:28
The last sentence suggests that little has changed!
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