Canadair CL-99 military cargo transport project

C-141A
Empty weight: 136,462 lb (61,898 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 316,608 lb (143,610 kg)

C-141B (lengthened version)
Empty weight: 144,492 lb (65,542 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 342,100 lb (147,000 kg)

Il-76D
Empty weight: 159,000 lb (72,000 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 346,000 lb (157,000 kg)

CL-99
Max takeoff weight: ~400,000 lb (~182,000 kg)

C-17
Empty weight: 282,500 lb (128,100 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 585,000 lb (265,350 kg)

CL-99 = C-141B with larger diameter fuselage.

Like Bager1968, I question the table he presents from Canadair – The First 50 Years written by Pickler and Milberry where they state the CL-99 is in the C-5 class.
According to the graph, the CL-99 has a GW of 400,000 lbs…when the C-5 has an EW of 325,000 lbs and a GW of 769,000 lbs.

Perhaps the authors meant the C-141?

Canadair CL-200: A few specs from KM Molson’s “Canadian Aircraft since 1909” pg 511.

“laminar-flow control. Six 18,000 lb (8,172 kg) st Pratt & Whitney JT3Ds. Span 325 ft (99.05 m); length 140 ft (42.67 m); height 55 ft 10 in (17.02 m); wing area 22,417 sq ft (2,082.5 sq m).”

Possibly developed using info from the BKB-1 flying-wing glider developed by Canadair employees in the late fifties.

http://www.twitt.org/Brochocki.html

What about the CL-200 on that list 😮

6 engines, 325′ span, 1,000,000lbs gross !!!!!

Roger Smith.

One of the (many) reasons why the East German VEB 152 project was stopped in the early 1960s was that some senior design engineers had defected to the west. Did they perhaps end up at Canadair?
http://www.jrlucariny.com/Site2008/baade152/baade152.html

I was kind of being tongue in cheek, but look at the main features in isolation and then pics of the aircraft that I mentioned:)

Those are my immediate thoughts there mate!

Are sure someone isn’t having a ‘what if laugh’?
Looks like an Argosy fusalage with a Belfast rear fusalage/ramp area, Skywarrior/B-66 wing, Sabre tail unit, and B-47/36 engine pods – but all in a different scale than normal!

I can see the resemblance….. 😉

I was kind of being tongue in cheek, but look at the main features in isolation and then pics of the aircraft that I mentioned:)

It seems to have been a legit project.

Canadair CL-99 – * military cargo transport (4 x P&W JT3D-14 turbofans [TF33]), 1961

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3119.0

It is mentioned in Canadair – The First 50 Years written by Pickler and Milberry (CANAV Books, Toronto 1995 / ISBN 0921022077)

The TF33 was the turbofan development of the J57 turbojet, and was used in B-52Hs, late-model EC/KC-135 models, C-141s, etc. It produced between 17,000 and 21,000 pounds of thrust.

Thus, the mention in the designation list from the above book that the CL-99 was in the “same category as the Lockheed C-5” is rather suspect… the 43,000 lb.s.t. TF39s of the C-5 produced twice the thrust of the TF33.

It looks more like a shorter, wider counterpart to the C-141 Starlifter. The human figures in the illustration also tend to support the “C-141 category” impression… as the C-5 is larger in both diameter and length (as I can attest to from personal experience).

I would need to see more data to really form an impression.

Are sure someone isn’t having a ‘what if laugh’?
Looks like an Argosy fusalage with a Belfast rear fusalage/ramp area, Skywarrior/B-66 wing, Sabre tail unit, and B-47/36 engine pods – but all in a different scale than normal!