Painting aircraft

When we painted a Slingsby Kirby kite 1 glider in its ww2 markings we had to get permission from the MoD. We are now painting a German Grunau Baby 2b glider in ww2 markings we got permission from the German air achecte in London.

Dave

Although the application process is triggered by your initial request to the CAA to not carry a G registration. They are fairly relaxed about RAF and US schemes bit anything else is usually reffered to the foreign powers represenatatives in London for approval as you discovered.

When we painted a Slingsby Kirby kite 1 glider in its ww2 markings we had to get permission from the MoD. We are now painting a German Grunau Baby 2b glider in ww2 markings we got permission from the German air achecte in London.

Dave

If the aircraft were wearing military marks, they usually require approval from the MoD. If they are not to wear their civil reg, they will require exemption from the CAA.

Whether this would be granted for an aircraft not carrying its original military serial, I do not know.

Bruce

There are quite a few warbirds carrying non original serials on dispensations. The issue is whether or not its possible to determine the individual aircraft from any applied markings (which would tend to suggest a complete copy of another aircrafts markings with no G-reg carried would be unlikely) – one reason why the Hangar 11 P-40 carries its tail number (applied after filming Red Tails on return to the UK).

CAA generally require it to be painted in the original markings it served in to comply with its dispensation to carry military schemes………. Of late one of the JP’s on the circuit that used to be coded J as the previous owners name was I believe Jay, has had to be repainted to reflect the code letter it used in service at their insistants I believe……. Civilian aircraft are a different kettle of fish.

If the aircraft were wearing military marks, they usually require approval from the MoD. If they are not to wear their civil reg, they will require exemption from the CAA.

Whether this would be granted for an aircraft not carrying its original military serial, I do not know.

Bruce

True Mike, but what I meant by a ‘false’ reg is one that the aircraft isn’t currently registered as, whether it wore it in the past or not. “D-AQUI” wears her current reg in very small lettering under the tailplane, although many aircraft wearing false reg’s in the States don’t even carry thier true N-number anywhere.

In the States you can have two aircraft wearing identical markings (trying to think of examples, I think there are two P51’s marked as ‘Big Beautiful Doll’ on the US register aswell as a third BBD owned by Rob Davies over here). In certain places you can also fly with a ‘false’ civil registration, such as Lufthansa’s Ju52 “D-AQUI”, which is really D-CDLH, and several British types in the states wear a G- registration even though they are US registered.

So in a nutshell, in the UK you can’t have either a fake civil registration, or a paint job that’s identical to another aircraft on the UK register.

Re’: the Ju 52 She may be D-CDLH now but her original reg ex factory was D-AQUI before she went to Norway as LN-???.

In the States you can have two aircraft wearing identical markings (trying to think of examples, I think there are two P51’s marked as ‘Big Beautiful Doll’ on the US register aswell as a third BBD owned by Rob Davies over here). In certain places you can also fly with a ‘false’ civil registration, such as Lufthansa’s Ju52 “D-AQUI”, which is really D-CDLH, and several British types in the states wear a G- registration even though they are US registered.

So in a nutshell, in the UK you can’t have either a fake civil registration, or a paint job that’s identical to another aircraft on the UK register.

Yes it is, although there was an American DH88 comet replica that was painted as Grovesnor house. There were plans to bring it to the UK for an airshow season and they were going to get special permision from the CAA for the two aircraft to fly together without changing the markings.

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