Help with Bomber Command Losses

and your problem with that is what?

You come up with a range of dates and when you get responses, you question them?

YOU were the one stating OTU, so why question the response? You NOW post MORE information which might have helped if included with the initial posting.

Sorry, chum, I’m outa here…………

Woh there, I’m not questioning anyones responses – far from it, I’m trying to engage in an intelligent discussion about the facts surrounding a fatal accident. I did’t post some of the other information at the time because I didn’t think it was needed at the time, that’s to say, I could have written pages of stuff that some might not find relevant – you have to stop somewhere and wait for a response!
If you read my post properly, you will see that I came to the conclusion that the a/c might not be from 15 OTU at all, so don’t quote me as stating it was.
Besides that, when I asked you why you were saying ‘assuming it’s an OTU’ I wasn’t contradicting myself, I was simply asking what you meant- ie. that you had found this info that related to OTU losses only etc.
Sorry if I came across as ‘questioning’ as I said I was trying to engage, not put you off.
If you would like to discuss further, I would be grateful for your input, otherwise relax a little more.

but I would have expected aircrew killed in action to be buried near there station or taken to a cemetary in thier home town

and your problem with that is what?

You come up with a range of dates and when you get responses, you question them?

YOU were the one stating OTU, so why question the response? You NOW post MORE information which might have helped if included with the initial posting.

Sorry, chum, I’m outa here…………

Well, assuming it’s an OTU, then there is this chap who is buried at Tubney
Name: BROWN, DOUGLAS MacGILLVARY
Initials: D M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pilot Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 21
Date of Death: 05/04/1942
Service No: 112288
Additional information: Son of Sydney MacGillvary Brown and Eleanor Blanche Brown, of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. B.Sc.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: North Part.
Cemetery: TUBNEY (ST. LAURENCE) CHURCHYARD

Is that near?
If so, then
Name: LEES, DOUGLAS
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 31
Date of Death: 05/04/1942
Service No: 1119621
Additional information: Son of John William and Edith Rose Lees, of Withington, Manchester; husband of Queenie Lees.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. K. C. of E. Grave 677.
Cemetery: MANCHESTER SOUTHERN CEMETERY
and
Name: JEFFERY, BASIL
Initials: B
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Canadian Air Force
Age: 22
Date of Death: 05/04/1942
Service No: R/86347
Additional information: Son of Amos and Evelyn Jeffrey, of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot 10. C. of E. Row N. Grave 3.
Cemetery: CIRENCESTER CEMETERY

might be involved, but can’t find any other likely crew members, so perhaps they survived?…..

I haven’t looked further, let’s see what else turns up about these or other crashes….

Why do you say ‘assuming it’s an OTU’ ?

Tubney Cemetary is near Abingdon, Oxfordshire, not too far from RAf Harwell the main base for 15 OTU. Not sure if this would be right though as Harwell does have it’s own Cemetary with a fair number of airmen buried there from 15 OTU, the ORTU, 295 and 570 sqdn.
All were stationed at Harwell, the latter three sustaining losses during and shortly after D-Day.

I have been lead to believe there were no survivors from the crash and that at least some of the crew were Canadian.

Not sure how things were done at the time, but I would have expected aircrew killed in action to be buried near there station or taken to a cemetary in thier home town? Unless serving over seas.

Thanks for looking for me.

I couldn’t find anything in BCL,42 or 43 but there is a 14th of April entry for a Wellington crash near Blewbury Berks in the OTU losses. from Harwell.

John

Thanks John, I’m aware of this one, doesn’t seem to be related to my one though.

I couldn’t find anything in BCL,42 or 43 but there is a 14th of April entry for a Wellington crash near Blewbury Berks in the OTU losses. from Harwell.

John

The one John mention is 14th April 1943 at Churn Hill, Aston Tirrold, Berks
Serial: BK345 Wellington II of 15 OTU

Well, assuming it’s an OTU, then there is this chap who is buried at Tubney
Name: BROWN, DOUGLAS MacGILLVARY
Initials: D M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pilot Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 21
Date of Death: 05/04/1942
Service No: 112288
Additional information: Son of Sydney MacGillvary Brown and Eleanor Blanche Brown, of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. B.Sc.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: North Part.
Cemetery: TUBNEY (ST. LAURENCE) CHURCHYARD

Is that near?
If so, then
Name: LEES, DOUGLAS
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 31
Date of Death: 05/04/1942
Service No: 1119621
Additional information: Son of John William and Edith Rose Lees, of Withington, Manchester; husband of Queenie Lees.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. K. C. of E. Grave 677.
Cemetery: MANCHESTER SOUTHERN CEMETERY
and
Name: JEFFERY, BASIL
Initials: B
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Canadian Air Force
Age: 22
Date of Death: 05/04/1942
Service No: R/86347
Additional information: Son of Amos and Evelyn Jeffrey, of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot 10. C. of E. Row N. Grave 3.
Cemetery: CIRENCESTER CEMETERY

might be involved, but can’t find any other likely crew members, so perhaps they survived?…..

I haven’t looked further, let’s see what else turns up about these or other crashes….

I couldn’t find anything in BCL,42 or 43 but there is a 14th of April entry for a Wellington crash near Blewbury Berks in the OTU losses. from Harwell.

John