Tornado F.3 – ZE728 – Public Artwork

Thank You

Thanks for the update- I was concerned that the F2 ADV might vanish and none be preserved – not that they deserved it really!

Not Leeming, all I can say is that it is in safe hands.:)

Tornado F.2 ZD932 leaving St Athan 7 Dec 11 by jamtey71, on Flickr

Tornado F.2 ZD932 leaving St Athan 7 Dec 11 by jamtey71, on Flickr

Tornado F.2 ZD932 leaving St Athan 7 Dec 11 by jamtey71, on Flickr

ZD932

Do you know where up north? or is it heading for Leeming?:confused:

LOL LL! Are there any 2s still about?

ZD902 was still flying as of last week

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=39053

F.2 ZD932 is leaving St Athan on the back of a low loader this morning, heading oop north so should give people a chance to see it on the move.
This is a significant event in a way as this is the final stored/G.I. airframe to leave St Athan, the airfield being completed as an Aircraft Sorage Unit in 1938.

The following list should be up to date…
ZD932 Panavia Tornado F2 AM Aircraft Repair Flight St. Athan Sep 2006

Blimey, loads, so that’s an F.2 that ruins my view here at St Athan!

She don’t look too well!

Tornado F.2 ZD932 St Athan 7 April 10 by jamtey71, on Flickr

LOL LL! Are there any 2s still about?

I expect that Tornado F2, serial ZD902, is still active at Boscombe?

Post from late 2009

‘Active Fleet

Tornado F’s
ZD902 Tornado F.2 no marks
ZE203/GA Tornado F.3 43Sqn marks
ZE794/FL Tornado F.3 25Sqn marks
ZH555/PT Tornado F.3 111Sqn marks’

http://fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1393

TJ

There will more recent declarations. As part of the CFE treaty the UK has to declare the holdings every year.

See following link covering holdings from 1997 to 2008

‘Table 4.13 Aircraft Holdings in the UK, Germany, Cyprus & Gibraltar within the scope of the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty, at 1 January each year’

The key ‘2’ denotes ‘Obsolete non-operational equipment used as training aids, gate guardians and museum pieces on CFE declared sites.’

http://www.dasa.mod.uk/modintranet/UKDS/UKDS2008/c4/table413.html

TJ

Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty (CFE) – Destruction/Reduction methods.

See section 4 for list of combat aircraft types covered by the treaty.

http://www.dod.gov/acq/acic/treaties/cfe/protocols/exist_equip.htm

‘4. Existing types of combat aircraft are:’

http://www.dod.gov/acq/acic/treaties/cfe/protocols/reduction.htm#VI

‘SECTION VI. PROCEDURES FOR THE REDUCTION OF COMBAT AIRCRAFT BY DESTRUCTION

1. Each State Party shall have the right to choose any one

of the following sets of procedures each time it carries out the destruction of combat aircraft at reduction sites.

2. Procedure for destruction by severing: the fuselage of the aircraft shall be divided into three parts not on assembly joints by severing its nose immediately forward of the cockpit and its tail in the central wing section area so that assembly joints, if there are any in the areas to be severed, shall be contained in the severed portions.

3. Procedure for destruction by deformation:

the fuselage shall be deformed throughout by compression, so that its height, width or length is reduced by at least 30 percent.’

‘SECTION VII. PROCEDURES FOR THE REDUCTION OF ATTACK HELICOPTERS BY DESTRUCTION

1. Each State Party shall have the right to choose any one of the following sets of procedures each time it carries out the destruction of attack helicopters at reduction sites.

2. Procedure for destruction by severing:

(A) the tail boom or tail part shall be severed from the fuselage so that the assembly joint is contained in the severed portion; and

(B) at least two transmission mounts on the fuselage shall be severed, fused or deformed.

3. Procedure for destruction by explosive demolition: any type and number of explosives may be used so that, at a minimum, after detonation the fuselage is cut into two pieces through that section of the fuselage that contains the transmission mounting area.

4. Procedure for destruction by deformation: the fuselage shall be deformed throughout by compression so that its height, width or length is reduced by at least 30 percent.’

http://www.dod.gov/acq/acic/treaties/cfe/protocols/reduction.htm#X

‘SECTION X. PROCEDURE FOR REDUCTION BY MEANS OF STATIC DISPLAY

1. Each State Party shall have the right to reduce by means of static display a certain number of conventional armaments and equipment limited by the Treaty.

2. No State Party shall use static display to reduce more than one percent or eight items, whichever is the greater number, of its maximum levels for holdings it declared at the signature of the Treaty for each category of conventional armaments and equipment limited by the Treaty.

3. Notwithstanding paragraphs 1 and 2 of this Section, each State Party also shall have the right to retain in working order two items of each existing type of conventional armaments and equipment limited by the Treaty for the purpose of static display. Such conventional armaments and equipment shall be displayed at museums or other similar sites.

4. Conventional armaments and equipment placed on static display or in museums prior to the signature of the Treaty shall not be subject to any numerical limitations set forth in the Treaty, including the numerical limitations set forth in paragraphs 2 and 3 of this Section.

5. Such items to be reduced by means of static display shall undergo the following procedures at reduction sites:

(A) all items to be displayed that are powered by self- contained engines shall have their fuel tanks rendered incapable of holding fuel and:

(1) have their engine(s) and transmission removed and their mounts damaged so that these pieces cannot be refitted; or’

‘SECTION XII. PROCEDURE FOR REDUCTION BY USE FOR GROUND INSTRUCTIONAL PURPOSES

1. Each State Party shall have the right to reduce by use for ground instructional purposes a certain number of combat aircraft and attack helicopters.

2. No State Party shall reduce by use for ground instructional purposes numbers of combat aircraft or attack helicopters greater than five percent of its maximum level for holdings in each of those two categories as notified at the signature of the Treaty pursuant to Article VII of the Treaty.

3. Conventional armaments and equipment limited by the Treaty in use for ground instructional purposes prior to the signature of the Treaty shall not be subject to any numerical limitations set forth in Article IV, V or VI of the Treaty, or the numerical limitations set forth in paragraph 2 of this Section.

4. Such items to be reduced by use for ground instructional purposes shall undergo the following procedures at reduction sites:

(A) for combat aircraft:

(1) severing of the fuselage into two parts in the central wing area;

(2) removal of engines, mutilation of engine mounting points and either filling of all fuel tanks with concrete, polymer or resin setting compounds or removal of the fuel tanks and mutilation of the fuel tank mounting points; or

(3) removal of all internal, external and removable armament and armament systems equipment, removal of the tail fin and mutilation of the tail fin mounting points, and filling of all but one fuel tank with concrete, polymer or resin setting compounds; and

(B) for attack helicopters: severing of the tail boom or tail part from the fuselage so that the assembly joint is contained in the severed portion.

(2) have their engine compartment filled with concrete or a polymer resin;’

http://www.dod.gov/acq/acic/treaties/cfe/protocols/poet_update.htm

TJ

Does this apply to the “Tonka” ? I thought as a defensive weapon it sits outside of START or SALT or whatever the agreement was ? Besides, they were never much of a threat and I would imagine that the “Bell” design has more chance of keeping station with a Tu-95 during an intercept than a F2 or F3 ever could !:eek:

A huge pile of carp that should never have seen service….

All Tornado variants come under the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty (CFE). Only heavy nuclear capable strategic bombers such as Tu-160, Tu-95, B-2 and B-52 come under START/SORT/SALT.

TJ

a lot of airframes have to be shreaded as part of east west arms limmitation deals , so they can no longer be of use

Does this apply to the “Tonka” ? I thought as a defensive weapon it sits outside of START or SALT or whatever the agreement was ? Besides, they were never much of a threat and I would imagine that the “Bell” design has more chance of keeping station with a Tu-95 during an intercept than a F2 or F3 ever could !:eek:

A huge pile of carp that should never have seen service….

If you look, only two appear to be full aircraft, the rest being cockpits…

Blimey, loads, so that’s an F.2 that ruins my view here at St Athan!

We had the Blue Circle fit on 3’s too, although limited to ballast when the radar was out being serviced…….which was often…. I don’t recall the F3s flying with the concrete lumpby the end of the 90’s. That said, I was a rigger….

Blimey, loads, so that’s an F.2 that ruins my view here at St Athan!

The following list should be up to date…

ZA254 Panavia Tornado F2 (F) 9253M UNKNOWN
ZA267 Panavia Tornado F2 G.I. Marham Jul 2009
ZD899 Panavia Tornado F2 Spares Boscombe Down Jun 2004
ZD900 Panavia Tornado F2 (C) G.I. Lossiemouth, Moray
ZD906 Panavia Tornado F2 (C) G.I. Leuchars, Fife
ZD932 Panavia Tornado F2 AM Aircraft Repair Flight St. Athan Sep 2006
ZD934 Panavia Tornado F2 (C) G.I. Leeming
ZD936 Panavia Tornado F2 (C) Museum Boscombe Down Jul 2008
ZD938 Panavia Tornado F2 (C) Private Chester area Mar 2010
ZD939 Panavia Tornado F2 (C) DCAE Cosford Mar 2009

Regards,

Phil.

LOL LL! Are there any 2s still about?

Sorry couldn’t resist

What this one ???? :diablo:

We need an example of the Blue Circle radar system saving……………….

Besides which it is just about the best use for what, in service, was a pretty indifferent fighter (IMHO)

Moggy

here here !! if any tornado is worth saving it is the gr series the Fs’ are dull as ditchwater in comparrison !!

just thinking aloud, but i do wonder “why” do they shred the airframes now ??. is it to do with speeding the process along, or more to do with insurance,HSE, or some other beaurocratic claus ???:confused:

Ie, if someone in general, was looking for a single seat, say Jaguar, or simaller, Artist, cockpit restorer, museum, for what ever reason, who would they approach to enquire , before the item was shredded, ?? to aquire such a item.. or does current Law ,Policy, Protocol, forbid this ??:confused:

a lot of airframes have to be shreaded as part of east west arms limmitation deals , so they can no longer be of use

it has to usualy be done in full view of millitary satelites ( outdoors ) hence being able to view them being cut up at the huge B52 boneyards in the U.S. on google earth

would probably make it easier for them to collect as it was probably in lots of little bits rather than one huge lump

there are a couple of F.3s’ that have made it to museums manchesters museum of science and industry has one in storage awaiting the planned expansion to the air and space hall being built

so i think there may be a possible breading pair saved !!