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Losses of the 8th & 9th AAF WWII

Dear Friends – To help Stan Bishop with his amazing ‘Losses of the US 8th & 9th Air Forces’, I have tried my hand at designing a very basic web-site for him and Jan Hey. Stan and Jan have both given their approval of the site, after requesting that it be kept simple as per the overall design of the books, and keeping it simple matched my web-design ability perfectly. Here is the link for anybody interested – http://losses8.webplus.net

At the moment Volume 2 has sold out (Stan is considering a reprint) – a few Volume 1s left. Volume 3 is selling quite well. Flypast magazine are writing a well deserved review of Volume 3.

I would so appreciate your spreading the link to as many of your friends as possible please. Stan started researching losses back in the late 1950s and these three volumes represent a lifetimes work. He pays all the printing costs and publishes them himself. Whatever profits he makes goes into the next volume. He is currently working on volume 4, we think there will need to be seven volumes in total. There is no other source in the world bringing together all the information contained in these books. Volume three – the latest volume – covers the losses in April-May-June 1944 and is 728 pages!

Lest We Forget

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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 31st March 2025 at 15:14

Volume 2 available from www.lashendenairwarfaremuseum.co.uk but only 1 copy left

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By: BlueNoser352 - 31st March 2025 at 15:13

Thanks Ozzie for this information

Ozzie:

Great information about these books & the authors…. as a long time member of The Mighty Eight Historical Society here in the US..I will pass this along to those of us with a keen love of The Mighty & Ninth Air Forces. Looks like some intensive & amazing research on the men & their air craft. I salute these men for keeping & saluting this generation of warriors alive. Much like Roger Freeman & other air war historians ….their memories live on in theses books and our collective memories ! Their Maximum Efforts live on !!!!!!!

A Salute from BlueNoser352 for this effort !

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By: paulmcmillan - 31st March 2025 at 15:13

BTW

Except for www.lashendenairwarfaremuseum.co.uk you may find it veryt difficult to buy a copy of Volume 3. Stan told me that most retailer margins would be to high and make it un-viable fort him. (Even his own brothers shop!) so he is selling it mostly direct. I got mine on Xmas eve and it was a great present. All contact details are on the web site,. Roll on Volume 4…. 5, 6 and 7 – I will need a bigger shelf

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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 31st March 2025 at 15:12

We are quite happy to make a small profit to help fund the work of the Lashenden Air Warfare Museum & to promote the book world wide. Providing Stan is happy to supply us we will be stocking all future volumes.

www.lashendenairwarfaremuseum.co.uk

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By: GrahamSimons - 31st March 2025 at 15:11

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Stan told me that most retailer margins would be to high and make it un-viable fort him. (Even his own brothers shop!) so he is selling it mostly direct.

There has always been a major problem with making small run ‘specialist-interest titles profitable. The big retailers demand terms that are totally impossible to provide. One UK national store demands 60% discount, 120 days sale or return and THEN a 90 invoice on top of that! Other problems are that some of the specialist outlets take so long to pay up.

Research is not cheap, even one of our Airfield Focus titles can take six months to put together – large hardbacks can take a year or more. Some specialist publishers – like myself, Cliff and Stan Bishop and a few others would far prefer to put out ‘new information’ than crank out re-hashed pot-boilers like ‘yet another Lancaster book’ or here is ‘another Spitfire title’… but these take time and investment. Paper costs are going through the roof, and whereas a few years ago we could get better payment terms with the printer/binders things have really tightened up.

There are new techniques being used – especially print-on-demand – which is something we have pioneered with the Airfield Focus series that helps with two things at the same time – putting titles into print to make available to those interested with ‘new information’ that maybe would not otherwise appear, and in keeping the costs down.

Stan and Cliff are also doing the same thing. I helped out Stan in the early days and know something of how it has evolved – and believe me, the profit margins such as they are really very small.

That also does not take into account shipping costs – mailing charges are bad enough just within the UK… but to use Royal Mail to ship hardback books overseas is completely prohibitive. My Memphis Belle book costs £60 – to ship to the USA by air mail costs about £40 without packing costs. Customers are, understandably just not prepared to pay that – it took us a year, but we came up with a much cheaper, if slightly longer service if we use TNT Spring Global Mail… then of course we get complaints it takes too long to arrive!

Some ‘customers’ have a totally unrealistic view on pricing – they seem to think that everyone is making piles of money out of them – and also expect new books to be ‘remaindered’ within three months of publication and then blame us, the publishers, when they are not! And God help us if we DARE to sell out before they get a copy! We had one guy at Old Warden a while back who at every show, would come by our stand, stand and look at one title for 10 minutes or so… say, ‘nice book, but too expensive’ and walk off…. he did this for one whole season. Next year, first show… he was back, same routine with the additional.. ‘oh, you have not remaindered it yet!’ I dropped into Del-Boy mode... ‘I tell ya what… just for you… special price… not 80 quid… not 70, not 60… not even 50… JUST for you…. a one off price… not available to ANYONE else not even 40 quid…. buy it right now and it’s just 30 quid.’ No he said… still too expensive. I lost it. See that gate there?… sez I, pointing to the main gate… go through it and stop wasting my ****ing time! You cannot talk to me like that! he said indignantly… ‘I’m a customer” Customers… I replied EARN that right by BUYING things!

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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 31st March 2025 at 15:11

Volume 2 now sold out at the Lashenden Air Warfare Museum

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By: Arabella-Cox - 31st March 2025 at 13:48

Trevor

Can you put one aside for me?

Will try to pop up in next couple of weeks as we have some things to still discuss. Tell me how much and I’ll drop you a cheque. Pleased to give your museum the business.

PS – Second thoughts. One of my sons lives in the village. Maybe I’ll get him to pick it up??

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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 31st March 2025 at 13:48

Volume 3 now back in stock at Lashenden Air Warfare Museum

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By: ian_ - 31st March 2025 at 13:45

Volume two arrived yesterday, Thanks Trevor. (Ian Hodgkiss)

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By: AEROHISTORIAN - 31st March 2025 at 13:45

Andy,

Its put to one side for you

Trevor

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