Belgian Hawker Typhoon ?

….. I will talk to our curator and the volunteer that handles our photograpghs and see what I can find out……..

Tom

Hi
Look forward to what you can find.
cheers
Jerry

….. In this large dusty crate ……. :D:diablo:

“NV999 was on loan to the RCAF, all of the crash records are RCAF. It crashed due to fuel starvation on the 7th of Feb 1946. F/L Griffin was attempting a wheels down landing in a clearing south of Edmonton after becoming lost. The aircraft landed, bounced and turned over causing damage to the wings, fin, firewall etc etc. The Tempest was written off, and all winterization gear and the Sabre V were sent back to the UK, however, after sending the lot, they were advised that the RAF no longer wanted any of it, so it was intercepted on the east coast and shipped back to WEE Edmonton and ??????? I’ve been looking for this and other spares for a while now; the search continues!”

Wow this is interesting…

WEE flight operated from the Municipal airport in Edmonton and this is the first I’ve heard of the Tempest.

I will talk to our curator and the volunteer that handles our photograpghs and see what I can find out.

Tom

This is turning into a surviving Tiffy bits thread, not that I mind though.
But I noticed that the Belgian Sabre engine bits that were donated to BAHAAT a few years ago have been restored and put on display.
Where’s EHVB when you need him;)
Cees

Here I am, with a fresh pic of last week. Was in their new museum.

BW R

Hi Jerry
Yes there was. NV999, the third Tempest VI, was sent to Canada for winterisation trials, arriving St John 27 Nov 45. I had always assumed that this was an RAF trial, but the Form 78 says ‘on loan to Canada for 9-12 months’ so maybe it was on RCAF charge?

Anyway, this is where you might need your snow shoes …. some time in 1946 it crashed, date/location not known to me and it does not appear on the F78 or on the accident cards – the former merely saying that permission to SOC was given 10 Dec 46.

Can any of our Canadian friends help? Is there an RCAF record of its loss?

NV999 was on loan to the RCAF, all of the crash records are RCAF. It crashed due to fuel starvation on the 7th of Feb 1946. F/L Griffin was attempting a wheels down landing in a clearing south of Edmonton after becoming lost. The aircraft landed, bounced and turned over causing damage to the wings, fin, firewall etc etc. The Tempest was written off, and all winterization gear and the Sabre V were sent back to the UK, however, after sending the lot, they were advised that the RAF no longer wanted any of it, so it was intercepted on the east coast and shipped back to WEE Edmonton and ??????? I’ve been looking for this and other spares for a while now; the search continues!

Ian

Hi Jerry
Yes there was. NV999, the third Tempest VI, was sent to Canada for winterisation trials, arriving St John 27 Nov 45. I had always assumed that this was an RAF trial, but the Form 78 says ‘on loan to Canada for 9-12 months’ so maybe it was on RCAF charge?

Anyway, this is where you might need your snow shoes …. some time in 1946 it crashed, date/location not known to me and it does not appear on the F78 or on the accident cards – the former merely saying that permission to SOC was given 10 Dec 46.

Can any of our Canadian friends help? Is there an RCAF record of its loss?

Hi
interesting, maybe the typhoon refered to earlier was confused with this tempest.
The tempest was at one time at RCAF Station Namao, which later became became CFB Edmonton, Alberta.
cheers
Jerry

Snow shoes required

Hi
there was a rcaf tempest, but 1946-7
cheers
Jerry

Hi Jerry
Yes there was. NV999, the third Tempest VI, was sent to Canada for winterisation trials, arriving St John 27 Nov 45. I had always assumed that this was an RAF trial, but the Form 78 says ‘on loan to Canada for 9-12 months’ so maybe it was on RCAF charge?

Anyway, this is where you might need your snow shoes …. some time in 1946 it crashed, date/location not known to me and it does not appear on the F78 or on the accident cards – the former merely saying that permission to SOC was given 10 Dec 46.

Can any of our Canadian friends help? Is there an RCAF record of its loss?

‘Canadian’ Typhoon

Cranswick,

I was mistaken in my recollection of it being a 1A, but the link below is the photo I recall. It seems to be an assumption on the part of the author.

http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/v2/equip/hst/typhoon-eng.asp

Thanks for that Ian. The Typhoon is R8762, which was at A&AEE Boscombe Down from November 1942 to January 1943, for trials with 44-gallon drop tanks – where it was photographed.

Interesting to note the fresh paintwork on the nose – where the (Nov 42) short-lived white nose marking has been painted out. So have the associated black stripes under the wings – but the black/white stripes which should have replaced them have not yet put in an appearance.

So you were correct – ‘Canada’ was a bit of an assumption!

There is a picture of a Typhoon 1A on the Canadian Forces website, it claims that the photo was “probably taken in Ontario”. I have also found a reference that says there was one flying out of Rockcliffe Ontario in the early 40’s, and another claiming a Typhoon crashed in Quebec as a result of a failed PCU. I have not found any records that can back this up though.

Ian

Hi
there was a rcaf tempest, but 1946-7
cheers
Jerry

Cranswick,

I was mistaken in my recollection of it being a 1A, but the link below is the photo I recall. It seems to be an assumption on the part of the author.

http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/v2/equip/hst/typhoon-eng.asp

The wings that I had heard of were in staffordshire (rather large area). I believe it originate with Mike in that a local ATC unit had found some Typhoon wings being used as fencing by a farmer…didn’t hear anything to narrow down the area but always assumed it was Lichfield area…not far from the scrapping and surrounded by lots of farms!!

I have always thought that there was alot more surviving in France than I know about but getting contact with someone is always difficult.

MiketheBike’s wing rumours and other wind ups

Dave,

Rumours always start somewhere, where did they originate from? I also remember that in the early flypast days Mike Cookman usually had an ad asking for any Typhoon bits and there was one rumour about a set of wings being used as a fence in Britain. Same rumour but different countries?
Cees

I knew Mike quite well in the 80’s. I am very sorry to hear he has passed on; hope he’s found some good scrap yards.

Mike was always full of rumours, mostly what had allegedly been found or could be found in the vicinity of Lichfield (51MU where 100’s of Typhoons were scrapped 1946/7). His hot wing rumour was that some had been found on Forestry Commission territory ‘near Ringwood’. Could be true – a Hurn based Typhoon crashed not far from Ringwood following a mid-air collision. But his informant went on to say the FC would not allow access and anyway there had been a forest fire in the area and they were probably destroyed, ie. the story was probably not true!

I also heard from a reliable source that there was a French collector in the Falaise area who had a complete Typhoon wing. This is more credible as dozens were lost in that area and the battlefield was not completely cleared for some years. But, 20 years on, nothing has materialised.

And … back in the early 90’s in a model shop not far from Heathrow, the owner said “had a bloke in the other day asking for you – but I didn’t have your details”. Said bloke claimed to have a Typhoon cockpit section in his shed. I then remembered having seen half of a local news report on someone from that area who had a fighter cockpit rigged up like a simulator with some sort of display that could be viewed through the gunsight. Pre-PC sims!! Any clues anyone?

in answer to what parts are surviving…if the rumours of wings is ever found to be true then enough for another complete typhoon. However, it would be very difficult to get all these parts together.

Typhoon in Canada; I don’t think so

There is a picture of a Typhoon 1A on the Canadian Forces website, it claims that the photo was “probably taken in Ontario”. I have also found a reference that says there was one flying out of Rockcliffe Ontario in the early 40’s, and another claiming a Typhoon crashed in Quebec as a result of a failed PCU. I have not found any records that can back this up though.

Ian

I do not know of any record of a Typhoon going to Canada and I have been through all 3317 movement cards (Form 78) and any other records on individual aircraft. One to to Russia, 3 to N Africa. The 3 RCAF sqns in UK/NW Europe used RAF aircraft. And the one to USA (thank goodness) mentioned earlier.

Have been unable to locate the photo you mention Ian – can you post a link?

So exactly what parts are surviving?

Canadian Typhoon???

There is a picture of a Typhoon 1A on the Canadian Forces website, it claims that the photo was “probably taken in Ontario”. I have also found a reference that says there was one flying out of Rockcliffe Ontario in the early 40’s, and another claiming a Typhoon crashed in Quebec as a result of a failed PCU. I have not found any records that can back this up though.

Ian

This is turning into a surviving Tiffy bits thread, not that I mind though.
But I noticed that the Belgian Sabre engine bits that were donated to BAHAAT a few years ago have been restored and put on display.
Where’s EHVB when you need him;)
Cees

Cees,
I had the same rumour about the wings over here…so that may be 2 sets 🙂 Unfortunately Mike passed away before I could talk to him about this, did anyone ever talk to him about the wings? have any more information? I do know the general area (by word of mouth) and it makes sense as one of the surviving cockpit sections was from the same area. Totally plausible esp. when you get the oppotunity to climb on MN235 and see just how big they are….a ready made fence!!!

There must be more out there….and I am slowly listing what is left. One day there will be a 2nd genuine Typhoon 🙂

Mine was from another source but is the same as the link…crying shame about this one although the RAF were just as bad with their last one, well before they found out there was a spare in the US!!!

There have been a number of rumours of a pair of wings surviving in France…never been confirmed. You never know they could be from this machine and somewhere in Belgium instead 🙂 one can dream I suppose 🙂

Dave,

Rumours always start somewhere, where did they originate from? I also remember that in the early flypast days Mike Cookman usually had an ad asking for any Typhoon bits and there was one rumour about a set of wings being used as a fence in Britain. Same rumour but different countries?
Cees

Well, men.

As I understood, this Typhoon RB286 was never marked with any Belgian insignia, isn’t it ?

Flyer.

Mine was from another source but is the same as the link…crying shame about this one although the RAF were just as bad with their last one, well before they found out there was a spare in the US!!!

There have been a number of rumours of a pair of wings surviving in France…never been confirmed. You never know they could be from this machine and somewhere in Belgium instead 🙂 one can dream I suppose 🙂