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Jet Fuel Question?

not sure if this is the right place, but id rather ask you guys 🙂

a friend of mine has landed a good bit of jet fuel. apparently its JetA1 JP54? he’s been told that it can only be used for military applications (which i cant actually see being correct?)

to sell it on what would he need to know/tell a potential buyer?

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By: Nashio966 - 19th June 2009 at 23:58

Jet A1 is a non military avaition kerosne that contains only an anti static additive. The risk to anybody using this fuel of presumably unknown provinence and no certification in a flying aircraft is too great.
I doubt anybody would want to touch. However it will ground run a gas turbine that does not need a militray fuel or power central heating or a run a diesel engine boat or car.

Pm me if you need to know more or need an outlet for the fuel I might be able to help.

these were my thoughts entirely 🙂 i said his best bet would be to try and sell it to private collections that ground run aircraft, mainly thinking of XM655 (see if he could donate it :rolleyes: ) who knows, not sure what his plans are 🙂

thanks all 🙂

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By: batsi - 19th June 2009 at 21:31

Jet A1

Jet A1 is a non military avaition kerosne that contains only an anti static additive. The risk to anybody using this fuel of presumably unknown provinence and no certification in a flying aircraft is too great.
I doubt anybody would want to touch. However it will ground run a gas turbine that does not need a militray fuel or power central heating or a run a diesel engine boat or car.

Pm me if you need to know more or need an outlet for the fuel I might be able to help.

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By: DeHavEng - 19th June 2009 at 21:28

Legally if any aviation fuel is removed from an airworthy aircraft it can not be put back into any other airworthy aircraft. Jet A-1 is industry standard jet fuel i.e. has all necessary additives including deicing, you will very rarely now find jet fuel without a deicing additive already included. In answer to what can you do with it….jagger is right oil burning heaters are one, but as diesel and jet a-1 are basicly the same thing I’ve heard of people actually using it in their cars…albeit with alittle extra smoke than normal I gather:diablo:

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By: FoxVC10 - 19th June 2009 at 17:09

“someone” I know used it to run a diesel car for ages after de-fueling a 1-11. Mix it with oil and it works a treat. Dries out the seals a bit but the car was on the verge of being for scrap anyway.

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By: Dr Strangelove - 19th June 2009 at 16:16

When I look back now I wonder just how many litres of F34 FSII I chucked away in the waste tanks after drain offs & hose flushes:o

Still, it was a big firm….

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By: ZRX61 - 19th June 2009 at 15:03

Does he know anyone with oil fired heating ?

Or a diesel car… Friend used to run his Ford Tranny’s York diesel on JP4

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By: Nashio966 - 19th June 2009 at 14:33

sounds fantastic 🙂 cant wait to see some footage of that 🙂

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By: Arabella-Cox - 19th June 2009 at 14:30

port engine running TBCO on saturday, might get filmed by a third party as i’ll be on the stad

stbd engine in progress hence the post i’m about to post about priming avons

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By: Nashio966 - 19th June 2009 at 14:24

i dont think he’s going to dump it lol, but i did tell him that contacting various classic jet groups such as those at brunty would be a good start.

on a new note, you got her running?!

I WANT VIDEOS!!! 😀 nice work 🙂

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By: Arabella-Cox - 19th June 2009 at 14:01

If he’s going to have to dump, can he bring it via bruntingthorpe PLEASE, as we don’t mind a bit, we’re not AIRWORTHY aircraft anyway !!!!!!

and now the sea vixen engines are running again we’re using up loads just for ground running

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By: baloffski - 19th June 2009 at 12:24

:confused: There are no risbridger points on the Herc fuel system.

Entirely correct, there is however a blending rig which is taken away, consisting of a length of hose betwixt bowser and Albert which had a risbridger point in and you pumped away while the fuel was passing through said Donkey’s Appendage.

Absolute pain in the wossit to use but essential in some parts of the world.

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By: OllieS - 19th June 2009 at 12:12

I can suggest somewhere where he can um…store it 🙂

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By: Nashio966 - 19th June 2009 at 12:07

ok 🙂 will pass that on 🙂 cheers

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By: Jon H - 19th June 2009 at 12:03

i think he has rather a large amount of it, enough for him to think supplying an airline would be a good idea?

JagRigger’s idea is about your only bet – thats what a/c breakers do with it.

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By: Nashio966 - 19th June 2009 at 11:51

i think he has rather a large amount of it, enough for him to think supplying an airline would be a good idea?

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By: JagRigger - 19th June 2009 at 11:48

Does he know anyone with oil fired heating ?

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By: Jon H - 19th June 2009 at 11:47

Basically get rid.

Old fuel is a minefield of problems – contamination issues and the tax man are two that immediatley spring to mind.

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By: 12jaguar - 19th June 2009 at 11:43

According to Def Stan 01-5 this is equivalent to F-35 (Avtur without FSII – Fuel System Icing Inhibitor). As for future use it would depend on where it was going to be used, but to be honest unless sediment and water checks were stringently carried out I wouldn’t rely on it for a flying aircraft.

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By: Nashio966 - 19th June 2009 at 11:26

cheers guys 🙂

is there any thing about JP54 that means it cant be used by civillian aircraft though?

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By: --o-o-O-o-o-- - 19th June 2009 at 11:23

To sell it on, he needs a petroleum licence from his Local Authority and there are a million and one legislative hoops to jump through…

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/cap748.pdf

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