April 20, 2009 at 5:30 pm
A slightly tricky question perhaps for the start of a new week.
Can anyone give an identity for the three biplanes named ‘Faith’, ‘Hope’ and ‘Gravity’?
Wicked Willip :diablo:
By: chumpy - 26th April 2009 at 23:32
An interesting thread..never know where it will end up.
Looking for stuff re Dick Emery on the web, I now know that he was once the chairman of the Airfix modellers club!
OK Willip how about another one??!
Chumpy.
By: Willip26 - 26th April 2009 at 23:24
Sorry, but I did say the connection was loose…..
Funny how a simple thread question can lead on into completely unexpected areas.
I anticipated that the Gladiators would get a mention but not that there would be anything to do with Tiger Moths on aircraft carriers.
Totally coincidentally one of the aviation magazines (latest issue of FlyPast IIRC?) has recently had an item on a float-equipped Tiger Moth G-ERDS flying in the USA, which also featured a photo of BB814 of the Royal Navy making the first and only landing by a Tiger Moth on a carrier.
Not a lot of people know that and I certainly didn’t.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
By: avion ancien - 25th April 2009 at 20:30
Tug!
Well I……………..definitely need to have words with that Willip!
By: chumpy - 25th April 2009 at 12:47
Yes that’s what I thought!
By: Robert Whitton - 25th April 2009 at 11:11
Tug!
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!
By: chumpy - 25th April 2009 at 10:55
Tug!
By: Robert Whitton - 25th April 2009 at 09:35
“the biplanes have a loose nautical connection or at least with a particular type of seagoing vessel”
Clarification please! I think some Tigers did land on a carrier perhaps from Lee-on-solent.
Dick Emery’s machine is still at East Fortune having been renovated twice, originally in military markings as N9510 and currently as Dick’s machine G-AOEL
By: Propstrike - 25th April 2009 at 08:56
G-AKXS had an incident at White Waltham in 2002, at the Members Air Day.
In the words of the CFI to the local paper, it ‘took a heavy landing’.
The owner/pilot hurt his back, but was up and flying again before too long.
The aeroplane remains in a long-term repair programme.
By: Arabella-Cox - 24th April 2009 at 23:57
Repeat please.
Dunstable Air Show 1967.
Three Tiger Moth glider tugs – Faith , Hope & Gravity
Spitfire G-AIDN in civil marks.
Mustang , Masefield, in civil marks.
…and the RAF Mus Gunbus flying.
Mark
I’m quite miffed that I wasn’t there. I’m sure I would have loved it even at the tender age of six. I can remember quite well seeing the Tiger Moths, towing gliders around, from the back windows of our house. Even as a youngster in the late sixties and early seventies I was at least a little bit aware that seeing those vintage biplanes flying most weekends was something rather special.
My dad must have been at the LGC air display in 1964, because this photo of G-AKXS (Gravity) was in his collection:

By: G-ASEA - 24th April 2009 at 06:54
The other Tiger’s reg did start with M. So G-AMJF sounds about right.
Dave
By: Willip26 - 23rd April 2009 at 23:28
The London Gliding Club had four Tiger Moths, one got burnt out. But i cant remember its reg!
Dave
There was also a blue Tiger Moth fuselage in the back of the hangar at Dunstable that day and although I have never been sure of its identity I strongly suspect it was G-AMJF, which shared the same owner with and was possibly replaced by G-AKXS.
The Dick Emery Magister was G-AITN and I believe he once crashed a Tiger Moth at Wisley, possibly G-ACDC, which suffered at least 8 serious accidents between 1957 and 1968 including one there on 5th June 1966.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
By: Willip26 - 23rd April 2009 at 22:58
Dunstable Tiger tugs.
Mark
Well, I’ve had my bit of fun but enough of this silliness. You are of course quite right. G-AOEL was ‘Faith’, G-ANFC ‘Hope’ and G-AKXS ‘Gravity’.
Thanks to all who had a go and at least we got there in the end.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
By: avion ancien - 23rd April 2009 at 22:16
Like the Gladiators the biplanes have a loose nautical connection or at least with a particular type of seagoing vessel
Whilst the consensus seems to be that they were the LGC Tigers, how is that reconciled with the foregoing quote? I can’t find anything in what has been posted heretofore that offers a “loose nautical connection” or suggests “a particular type of seagoing vessel”. So perhaps Mark12 has not nailed it. Well, we’ll have to wait until the pass of the witching hour for Willip to come back online and put us all out of our misery!
By: WJ244 - 23rd April 2009 at 21:53
Please ignore last post as it looks like Mk12 has cracked it but, out of curiosity, which name was carried by G-AOEL please? I will never forget the site of the Tiger casting off and dropping into what looked like a vertical dive with the tow rope snaking down behind it. From above it looked like he was going straight into the ground but a low recovery and a fast half circuit meant he was soon on the ground and ready to take the next glider.
By: WJ244 - 23rd April 2009 at 21:48
Re Dunstable Tigers. I got an aerotow behind G-AOEL in a K-13 about 1971 and at that time G-AKXS was sitting in the back of the hangar as a spares ship so it must have been one of the other two which got burnt out.
No real idea about the identities of Faith Hope and Gravity. The only other possibility that I could think of is that it could refer to 3 of the aircraft from The Blue Max but I am not so sure that they were still in the UK at that time.
By: Mark12 - 23rd April 2009 at 21:48
Repeat please.
Dunstable Air Show 1967.
Three Tiger Moth glider tugs – Faith , Hope & Gravity
Spitfire G-AIDN in civil marks.
Mustang , Masefield, in civil marks.
…and the RAF Mus Gunbus flying.
Mark
By: Propstrike - 23rd April 2009 at 21:33
If you are looking for a non-secular reference, the Tiger Club operated some Super Tigers (as they called them) The Bishop, The Cardinal, The ArchBishop, as I recall, and maybe some wag daubed them with alternative monikers for a short spell.
By: chumpy - 23rd April 2009 at 21:11
I’ve almost given up on the three biplanes. I’ll have words with Willip when I next communicate with him! I’m not much more successful on the civilian Mustang/Spitfire enigma. My latest brainwave was the 1967 Kings Cup at Tollerton. N6356T won that but it took place on 19 August 1967. I can’t find out whether G-AIDN participated. Perhaps Chumpy can have a look at his Putnams’ British Air Racing volume and let us know?
Nope the Spit did not take part in the 67 race. The said Putnam volume has had a good bashing over trhe last couple of days! Only biplane in the race was Hornet Moth G-ADKM.
Clueless as ever..Chumpy.
By: G-ASEA - 23rd April 2009 at 20:42
The London Gliding Club had four Tiger Moths, one got burnt out. But i cant remember its reg!
Dave
By: avion ancien - 23rd April 2009 at 20:36
I’ve almost given up on the three biplanes. I’ll have words with Willip when I next communicate with him! I’m not much more successful on the civilian Mustang/Spitfire enigma. My latest brainwave was the 1967 Kings Cup at Tollerton. N6356T won that but it took place on 19 August 1967. I can’t find out whether G-AIDN participated. Perhaps Chumpy can have a look at his Putnams’ British Air Racing volume and let us know?