Can you positively identify this old aircraft constructers badge?

I did have a near identical one, but in silver as I recall. It came to me from the estate of an elderly lady who may well have had Percival Aircraft connections but never able to confirm it. The back was marked “Fatorini of Birmingham”.

I think that company still exists. They made the DH badges for airscrews, for example. They may still have customer records?

Sorry guys…this is the quote I wanted to use earlier…Doh

Fattorini.co.uk are still in business and if as T1940 suspects they made the badge originally …they might still have old records.

cheers baz

Well, since the badge does not say “Aeroplane Construction,” I would not rule out a U.S. mfr.
Other companies worth researching. Sugggested starting research in files. Libraries, Internet for publications like Janes , Aviation Magazine, Flight, Aero Digest Flying etc, or Google for ads in print that may have that logo …Dates indicated are usually the date they were organized, so print ads with logos should be in some of the aero publications for those years…The following Aircraft constructing firm were officially registered as:
Pacific Airmotive Corp. (U.S.) 1953
Pacer Aircraft Corp. NJ, USA; 1927-1930
Pasped Aircraft Co. USA, 1934
Phillips Aviation Co. USA, 1937-
Piasecki Aircraft Corp. USA, 1955
Pioneer Aircraft Corp. USA,
Porterfield Aircraft Corp. USA 1934-1939

It is the badge of the aircraft construction company bearing their emblem or logo. Usually a lapel badge/brooch. Often enamelled or brass and silvered. Issued to and worn by company employees.

just had a quick look
Fattorini.co.uk still in business…they may keep records as tangmere suggested

regards baz

Thanks. I found that after I posted too…this is proving more difficult that I expected…! PP

Maybe, in the last century or so, there has been some other ‘PAC’…but I’m jiggered if I can think of one…:confused:

Pacfic Aerospace Corp. Ltd., Hamilton, New Zealand
Current manufacturers of the Cresco and the 750XL
. . . but the badge is obviously not theirs!

PAC

I have seen this logo/badge years ago,cannot offer absolute proof but…

Parnall was titled Parnall Aircraft Limited

Percival became Percival Aircraft Limited circa 1936

so my guess would be Percival Aircraft Company whilst at Gravesend 1933 -36 ish.

Can the same logo be seen on any Percival Gull photos ? Or perhaps PAC adverts ?

Lovely badge by the way

regards baz

Thanks for that;- EWP used outside contractors in the early days of his involvement with Basil Henderson, including , ironically, Parnalls. Parnals went on to build the Hendy too. However, I’ve never seen this logo on any of the early Percivals literature, and certainly not on the a/c themselves. Maybe, in the last century or so, there has been some other ‘PAC’…but I’m jiggered if I can think of one…:confused:

It is the badge of the aircraft construction company bearing their emblem or logo. Usually a lapel badge/brooch. Often enamelled or brass and silvered. Issued to and worn by company employees.

Thanks Tangmere and James.

🙂

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I thought the initials may have related to Australia’s wartime “Aircraft Producton Commission” responsible for the Beaufort program, however their badge and symbols were completely different.

regards

Mark Pilkington

It is the badge of the aircraft construction company bearing their emblem or logo. Usually a lapel badge/brooch. Often enamelled or brass and silvered. Issued to and worn by company employees.

They became critical during wartime, indicating that the wearer wasn’t someone to give a white feather.

I have three by my desk:

Given to me by my grandmother who started work at CAC in, IIRC, 1936, as one of the first women there. (She wasn’t an executive, but was given it by her boss.) She’ll be 95 on Tuesday.

This is a really dumb question I admit – and yes, there are some dumb questions 🙂 but what exactly is an aircraft constructers badge?

In well over 50 years of being interested in aviation this is, I think, the first time that I have heard of them.

Thanks in advance.

It is the badge of the aircraft construction company bearing their emblem or logo. Usually a lapel badge/brooch. Often enamelled or brass and silvered. Issued to and worn by company employees.

I have seen this logo/badge years ago,cannot offer absolute proof but…

Parnall was titled Parnall Aircraft Limited

Percival became Percival Aircraft Limited circa 1936

so my guess would be Percival Aircraft Company whilst at Gravesend 1933 -36 ish.

Can the same logo be seen on any Percival Gull photos ? Or perhaps PAC adverts ?

Lovely badge by the way

regards baz

Please see attached photo. Clearly it’s a British firm, probably pre-war.
Probably Parnall, at Yate, or even possibly Percivals, perhaps an early design? What I’m looking for is a 100% positive referenced identification. O.K. guy and girls, over to you….. :confused:

Parnall letterhead. Similar wording, but logo is different…. http://www.yateonline.co.uk/heritage/images/parnall/letterhead.jpg

This is a really dumb question I admit – and yes, there are some dumb questions 🙂 but what exactly is an aircraft constructers badge?

In well over 50 years of being interested in aviation this is, I think, the first time that I have heard of them.

Thanks in advance.

Thanks for that. I did look on the back when I acquired it, but there is no makers mark at all. Fattorinis certainly did stuff for DHavs. All the Fattirini stuff I’ve seen was quite clearly stamped with their name…so I doubt this is one of theirs. They had plenty of space to put it, as this is an unusually bit badge, it’s about 2.25″ span. Might be worth a punt though, – thanks. Do you still have your example…?

I did have a near identical one, but in silver as I recall. It came to me from the estate of an elderly lady who may well have had Percival Aircraft connections but never able to confirm it. The back was marked “Fatorini of Birmingham”.

I think that company still exists. They made the DH badges for airscrews, for example. They may still have customer records?