Air Cadet engineering

Thought id tag this along here.

But if anyone can give/lend/sell us any aircraft parts then pls pm me or post, we want things the cadets can look at and have lean and deismantle and restore.

So anything for dials, wires, aircraft skin, heavy duty bits then please let me know.

I really want to get this project going but have nothing what so ever to work with

thanks

Maybe, maybe not, may I refer you to Schrodingers Tardis..?;)

What? The one you shovel into a box and forget about?

Doubt it – no props!

Maybe, maybe not, may I refer you to Schrodingers Tardis..?;)

Will it be at Legends?;):cool:

Doubt it – no props!

lol…it may well be…its been at the squadron long enough :p

oh and they have just built a tardis :confused:
Scott

Will it be at Legends?;):cool:

Hi Rob, i believe those subjects u just mentioned above are under headings such as principles of flight and propulsion, the cadets also do airmanship, its taught differently on each squadron but the exam is the same for everyone, they give a good explination into how an aircraft flies, from being aerodynamic to how the engine works and what the wings do 🙂

Scott

Just wondering if we have any more ideas as im presenting them to the CO on friday 🙂

cheers guys 🙂

Does anyone teach basic flight engineering, such as how wings and control surfaces work together?

And the effects (and control) of G forces on the plane’s structure, pilot, other crew & passengers – how do those fast jets turn so tightly without pulling the wngs off, and how does the pilot make a turn feel like he’s flying straight and level from his passengers point of view?

How does a helicopter work – fine going up and down spin a propeller – but turn and bank (and even doing back flips or, in the case of models, grass cutting), how is all that achieved? Do the controls of a helicopter bear any resemblance to a fixed wing plane? How? Model choppers are very helpful in explaining these engineering nightmares.

I remember one lesson where the basic principles of the jet engine were explained and worked out independantly, that even a fan (or turbine) in a tube was probably as, if not more, efficient (ducted fan) than a standard propeller design – and that’s how many modellers made “jet”models for many years. Yet when I posed the design I was told by the ATCs engineering tutor that it must be more complicated than that (of course, heating up the exhause before exiting the “tube” is the key to much greater power (that’s the jet bit) and reheating the exhaust {injecting more fuel into the hot exhaust stream) squeezes out even more power)!!!

As an ATC cadet myself in the sixties/early seventies, these were the subjects that most fascinated me and that were directly relevant to being an ATC cadet interested in aircraft. I’m not sure that I would have been as fascinated in go-carts and would have been much more interested in model aircraft building and flying, where the skills and aviation orientated approach is more easily recogniseable.

I was a member of both Pendeford Airport (now an awful council housing estate), and later Wednesfield’s ATC squadron’s. (I must say, though, that Pendeford’s squadron was much better in this regard.)

As a cadet, flying models weren’t as available then, as they are now – and I bet you’d have lads clamouring to join your engineering group for the promise of some weekend model flying trips using models they had helped design and built. And there are a fair fiew kits that include all the components and control equipment at very reasonable prices these days. I wouldn’t mind betting that RipMax or one of the many other manufacturers (Kyosho for instance) would love to get involved in some kind of sponsorship/apprentiship arrangement.

got the pics on my phone for you, will upload them asap or send them straight accross when i catch you on msn

Scott

Just wondering if we have any more ideas as im presenting them to the CO on friday 🙂

cheers guys 🙂

ooo that sounds really really good

pics please, ill pm you my email etc

thanks 🙂

hi 668, im currently a Sgt in the atc, well…for a month till i turn 20, anyway, some of the engineering stuff we have at the squadron are along the lines of engines from cars/boats aswell as the DeHaviland Gnome we have accross the way at NEAM.

at the moment my cadets are doing a few different basic engineering projects, building a go cart, one of those little 4 wheeled buggies with a sail on it, beach racers i think it is, oh and they have just built a tardis :confused:

the engine we use to demonstrate propulsion is a little 4 stroke on a trolley i believe, easy to move about and it also has covers that come off which allows for better instruction,

hope this helps and if you would like photos i can get you some as im there tonight 🙂

Scott

thanks

yes my spelling is poor and im ment to be a B at gcse, i tend to rush things and dont re-read them. Down to me being too lazy i spose

I have fixed and wil spean more time thanks 🙂

668

[QUOTEIn all your dealings you need to ensure that in written communications your spelling and grammer is correct as you will not be taken seriously by any professional if you mis-spell words. As I said, I am not having a go just being realistic. Write any documents in a word processor, particulary if your writing is poor and use the spell check facility. After this check the document yourself to ensure that the spell checker has not changed the words incorrectly and get someone else to read it over. I once had a boss who would read all the letters and documents that had been provided to him for signing. If he located a spelling error the offending item went to the bottom of the pile and you were called in just before closing time to re-do the letter so that you had to work late. My correspondence is not perfect but improved after that happened to me! I am also aware that if applying for a job, you make spelling mistakes in the application, your chances of succcess are somewhat deminished, even if writing documents is not part of the job. The thinking is along the lines of:- If the job applicant cant be bothered to spell correctly, wear clean shoes or make an effort to find out about the organisation they are applying to for a position, how reliable and accurate are they likely to be with their work and timekeeping![/QUOTE]

Quite!!
Resmoroh

Why not find out the basic skill levels of the Cadets first. ie Do they know what tools should be used to cut and form materials. If they have none of these skills there is no point in working on aircraft parts. You could then see if there are any technical teachers who would undertake such work with the Cadets. It may be a bit boring for the Cadets but without the basics little progress can be made.

The following comment relates to the professional approach you will need to make to a school or college and to the parent’s of the children and is NOT a dig at you.

In all your dealings you need to ensure that in written communications your spelling and grammer is correct as you will not be taken seriously by any professional if you mis-spell words. As I said, I am not having a go just being realistic. Write any documents in a word processor, particulary if your writing is poor and use the spell check facility. After this check the document yourself to ensure that the spell checker has not changed the words incorrectly and get someone else to read it over. I once had a boss who would read all the letters and documents that had been provided to him for signing. If he located a spelling error the offending item went to the bottom of the pile and you were called in just before closing time to re-do the letter so that you had to work late. My correspondence is not perfect but improved after that happened to me! I am also aware that if applying for a job, you make spelling mistakes in the application, your chances of succcess are somewhat deminished, even if writing documents is not part of the job. The thinking is along the lines of:- If the job applicant cant be bothered to spell correctly, wear clean shoes or make an effort to find out about the organisation they are applying to for a position, how reliable and accurate are they likely to be with their work and timekeeping!