The last airshow passenger carrying flight of a DC3

BBC Radio 4’s “You and Yours” explained the situation a couple of weeks ago. Apparently, each EU country has been allowed to interpret the new regulations as they see fit and to grant exemptions as they see fit. The CAA have decided not to grant any exemptions to UK registered aircraft.

As ever, in the UK, EU directives are always applied in their harshest form. Many other EU countries apply such directives as lightly as possible.

Which will ultimately be abandoned or standardised for a pan-EU air law.

As mentioned above, I think the solution is membership of a “support” organisation.
…………………………..Could a UK DC3 operator sell such “memberships” along with the ticket?
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No, due I understand to UK A.N.O.

As mentioned above, I think the solution is membership of a “support” organisation.

The Danish DC3 only carries paying members of “The friends of the DC3”. Besides being a member, you also have to pay for the flight (unless you have dones some work).

Could a UK DC3 operator sell such “memberships” along with the ticket?

Its nevertheless a great shame to see such a sturdy and safe aircraft grounded due to safty rules (you have to look quite hard, to find a safer aircraft).

Thought you might like to see these of the last flight and my flight at 2.30 on the Tuesday, not fantastic quality but its a record of the event and im a new on this so be kind.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=82742

Norway is not a member of the European Union so guess they can go on doing what ever suits them…………. (vide post 5)

Planemike

Herman, that’s true but a passenger (for regulation’s sake) is anyone who is not part of the crew so carrying members of the association is still passenger carrying. Unless you can think of a way to have a DC-3 with 20 crewmembers (all with the proper licenses of course) ;):D

When you book a flight in the netherlands on a dc3 you have to be a member of there society. So you are not taking the normal paying passenger.

Herman

So, if I read the above correctly, it seems a DC3 operator in a European country that also happens to be a member of the EU, was not aware of, or had to comply with this new directive, but a UK based operator has? :rolleyes:

How ridiculous.

Bear in mind that a comment by the pilot or other crewmember is not the same as speaking to ‘a DC-3 operator’. At least one of the organisations mentioned above is well aware of the changes and has actively sought a solution with the assistance of the local authorities in the form of an exemption from EASA for certain changes/modifications. This process is still ongoing and at least while the exemption has not been denied the aircraft will continue to operate. Expectations are that passenger operations will continue.

With all new regulations it takes time for everyone to adjust to them, that goes for operators, local authorities and Brussels. I don’t know the precise situation between the CAA and the UK operators but as far as I know passenger flying is not prohibited for DC-3s, there are just new rules to follow if you want to do this. Depending on the standpoint of the CAA (which I don’t know) it may also have been the operator’s choice to suspend passenger ops.

Little confused here myself as the crew of both Dutch Dakotas on both days knew nothing about this and were quite insistent that they would continue flying and would be back next year. Can local governments grant exemptions to these rulings? Presumably the Dakota Norway DC3 and Junkers 52? will be subject to the same legislation. Would be nice to have a clarification on this and if exemptions can be granted why not so in the UK.

That is interesting, as are Multivac’s comments.

So, if I read the above correctly, it seems a DC3 operator in a European country that also happens to be a member of the EU, was not aware of, or had to comply with this new directive, but a UK based operator has? :rolleyes:

How ridiculous.

So in the case of this directive, is it down to the country’s own CAA or equivalent to actually enforce it? I was under the impression that once the mighty powers of the EU had issued these directives, then they had to be enforced here in the UK by the CAA whether they liked it or not. :confused:

But reading Airspeeds post (and he asks an interesting question), it seems this might not be the case!

And it begs the question, why do our authorities always seem to enforce these ill thought out EU directives, and I mean all of them, not just aviation related, when it seems other EU members don’t?

Maybe it’s about time we stuck two fingers up to the EU and their ******* directives, and got back to running and doing things OUR way within OUR own laws! 😡

Cheers

Paul

Little confused here myself as the crew of both Dutch Dakotas on both days knew nothing about this and were quite insistent that they would continue flying and would be back next year. Can local governments grant exemptions to these rulings? Presumably the Dakota Norway DC3 and Junkers 52? will be subject to the same legislation. Would be nice to have a clarification on this and if exemptions can be granted why not so in the UK.

Hello
Did anybody take any photos of maybe the last paying passenger flight into a airshow in the UK.
This anybody on the last flight of the DC3 out of Coventry on the 15 July 2008.
What about posting a group photo of the smiling happy punters.

You are writing in the past tense – yet it is still to happen. I’ll be there and I’m sure there will be a lot of pictures taken in, ooh, about 20 hours time.

Roger Smith.

What is happening in the rest of Europe regarding DC-3s and passengers flights? Is it just the CAA in the UK pulling the plug? The passengers from the European DC-3s, at Duxford on Sunday, didn’t seem to know what I was on about.

My Norf Lunden accent isn’t that bad honest guv. Well does the ban apply to them?

A few pics here –

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=82506