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Maybe not aviation, but same dream scenario

Unfortunatly i can only find this article in Danish:

http://www.dr.dk/Regioner/Vest/Nyheder/Ringkoebing-Skjern/2008/06/25/103722.htm

Basically a storm moved enough sand, to reveal a WWII German bunker (one among many still standing). It turned out, that the bunker had been untouced since the end of WWII. Complete with furniture and other operational items.

Now, is that not how we would like to find a few aircraft?

I have posted a few times about the chance of such aircraft recoveries, and this discovery (in tiny Denmark, where people must have picknicked untop of it for a generation now) gives me hope for the future of “wreck-hunting”.

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By: merkle - 27th June 2008 at 08:05

Bunkers an stuff

We have one where I live , it would be the oldest Battery in the bristol Channel if the council had not buried it in the 1960s,

Portishead “Battery Point” ,has the remains of a “Armstrong Gun” emplacement ,including underground magazines /stores etc, but sadly all filled in by he council, and they wont uncover it,
there has been a actual fort there since elizabethan times, and in the civil war it fired on royalist ships,
the last use was in the 2nd World War, when it was fitted with ex WW1, 6″ Naval Guns , My grandad remembers the days just after the war when all the kids went up there and the army put on a show, using up most of the amunition, I did suggest to the concil to uncover some of the remains, and i had full backing from the chief county archaeologist, But as Usual the “TREE Huggers ” won the fight , and as with the past 50 years all you can see is the very tops of the concrete gun pads, and grass, grass and more Grass.

As for aircraft wasnt a complete FW190 found in east germany in the remains of a Hanger that the ruskis had Blown Up/Demolished before they pulled out in the 1990s??, I wonder HOW complete it was “Before ” they blew up the Hanger/Bunker, also heard rumours of one in east germany next to a airifeld full of german aircraft, but it was left alone because of “booby ” traps ,
CAN ANYONE COROBERATE THIS STORY ???

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By: TempestV - 27th June 2008 at 07:52

Yes, I can see the scene before me:

A rag-tag group of bunker-entusiasts looking skyward in anticipation of the arrival of the Nazibunkeren.

…. the story of the Jet propelled guided NAFFI comes to mind! Complete with a semi-circular seat for a semi-circular vice consulate! (or words to that effect). 😀

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By: Mondariz - 27th June 2008 at 07:46

“A local bunker-entusiast went to explore the bunkeren, after it had arrived on the dunes during a storm on 1. March”

Surely the basis for a Goon show!! 😀

Yes, I can see the scene before me:

A rag-tag group of bunker-entusiasts looking skyward in anticipation of the arrival of the Nazibunkeren.

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By: TempestV - 27th June 2008 at 07:38

“A local bunker-entusiast went to explore the bunkeren, after it had arrived on the dunes during a storm on 1. March”

Surely the basis for a Goon show!! 😀

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By: Mondariz - 26th June 2008 at 15:47

Hi Pete,

I would like to think, that anyone finding live ordnance would somehow report it, but then again……

The dreaded bunker collapse has installed fear in many adventurers, they are, however, designed to withstand quite some punishment. You would be far more likely to drown, or get blow up, than to be crushed (don’t know if its a comfort to know this).

Anyway, I remember hearing about people finding forgotten air-drops in Denmark (mostly in lakes). The dear old SOE had thankfully packed the goods well, and the stenguns still worked after 30-40 years. The Germans, however, had long since gone.

When I think about it, it strikes me, that there are most likely a lot more forgotten bunkers and secret holes/caves/cellers around Europe, than forgotten aircraft throughout the world…..maybe I should swap from aviation.

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By: Pete Truman - 26th June 2008 at 15:28

A few years ago now, I know, but I recall finding a few untouched German bunkers in Jersey in the 60’s, complete in every way, right down to bedding on the bunks, they even had bicycles propped against the wall where they had been left in 1945.
A friend of mine discovered a bunker in Geurnsey during the 70’s that was full of ammo and weapons, it was when he came across the mines that he decided to abandon his investigation, perhaps it’s still there, he had to crawl through a hole in a bank of earth that had been piled over it, it may well have been simply filled in again and left as it was, I wonder if he still has that Schmeiser.
Even in the 80’s I recall going to Brittany and at low tide walking out to German bunkers on small islands and finding all sorts of stuff in there.
If anyone has the nerve, there are a chain of linked bunkers on a particular beach in Norfolk, I’ve been so far down them, but you do tend to wonder whether their inevitable collapse will occur when you’re inside, it’s not worth taking the risk, tempting though it may be.

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By: Mondariz - 26th June 2008 at 14:49

Digital translation has come along way.

Still makes for funny pidgin English, but clearly understandable.

A few bits, that it missed:

The bunker never actually “arrived” from anywhere, but was uncovered.

Sanddækkede = sand covered.

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By: MSW - 26th June 2008 at 13:40

An electronic translation of the original article, some errors in the translation I’m afraid…

Sensationel bunker appeared on the beach
25. June. 2008 11.39
Arkæologer is currently in the process of examining a German bunker, which has remained untouched onto the beach by Søndervig since the capitulation in 1945.

A local bunker-entusiast went to explore the bunkeren, after it had arrived on the dunes during a storm on 1. March.

And inside the bunkeren he found to his great surprise, chairs, tables and other furniture from the Germans stay in bunkeren during the war.

Now nazibunkeren then to be examined by a team of archaeologists led by bunker-expert Jens Andersen, head of Museumscenter Abbas.

— It is quite sensational. I have dealt with bunkers in 25 years and never seen anything like it. I would not have thought that it would be possible, “said Jens Andersen.

It was the local bunker-entusiast Empty Cassøe from Matamata, which was the first made it big fund in bunkeren.

After the storm 1. March, he was out on the beach to take pictures of bunkers and discovered in this context that the entrance to the past sanddækkede bunker had come into view.

— So I clambered in and then with the same a cupboard and some other residues. It made me even more interested, so I clambered deeper into the bunkeren and took this space, which is quite complete furnished, says Tommy Cassøe

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By: mike currill - 25th June 2008 at 15:28

:D:D That’s a good one.

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By: Mondariz - 25th June 2008 at 14:32

They will be flown straight to Legends from the beach.

Like the original plan for “Kee Bird”.

Damn, now im crying……..

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By: mike currill - 25th June 2008 at 14:28

I know; there is not much to hope for, but the bunker crowd (our concrete counterpart) surely had not dreamed of this either.

Actually the article mentions a guy, who has spend 25 years involved with Bunkers, who states: “I have never heard about anything like it!”

BTW if its found; sure it will be at legends.

I guess so purely a matter of if any are found and how long the restoration takes as to when.:)

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By: Mondariz - 25th June 2008 at 14:19

Surely it’s already happened – a small number of aircraft being recovered from French beaches (admittedley in poor condition) and the recent P-38 uncovered in Wales.

Roger Smith.

Yes, some wrecks have been found, but, as in this story, I think its still possible, that “pristine” aircraft can be located. Maybe not on beaches, but somewhere forgotten – the untimate barn find :cool:.

Not only was this bunker untouched, it was basically unknown…which seems almost impossible, considering the interest in WWII fortifications and the size of the bunker.

There are about 120 museum aircraft missing from Berlin, since they were carted away during WWII, in order to protect them from harm. Dissapeared without a trace. Surely they could be somewhere.

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By: Mondariz - 25th June 2008 at 14:12

I know; there is not much to hope for, but the bunker crowd (our concrete counterpart) surely had not dreamed of this either.

Actually the article mentions a guy, who has spend 25 years involved with Bunkers, who states: “I have never heard about anything like it!”

BTW if its found; sure it will be at legends.

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By: RPSmith - 25th June 2008 at 14:09

Surely it’s already happened – a small number of aircraft being recovered from French beaches (admittedley in poor condition) and the recent P-38 uncovered in Wales.

Roger Smith.

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By: mike currill - 25th June 2008 at 14:06

I can’t say I hold much hope for the discovery of historic aircraft like that but it would be nice to think it could happen. On second thoughts there’s a few on here whose first question would be ‘will it be at Legends?’ myself included even if only in a humerous vein.

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