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Shorts Mayo Composite

The Shorts Mayo Composite (a modified Class C Flying Boat as the load carrier, and the Mercury sea-plane as the paying freight carrier) is reasonably well documented. First used around 1937/1938. Sea-plane distance record. Destroyed early WW2 (probably May 41).
We have a written account of the Composite being seen on the Nile at Khartoum – the date is slightly uncertain.
We know when the writer went to Khartoum. If any of the experts have (a) any idea when the Composite was at Khartoum, and (b) can confirm the destruction date(s) of either of the parts then I would be most grateful for a ‘heads-up’.
From this will come facts that will determine the veracity of other ‘downstream’ meteorological personnel events totally unconnected with the Mayo Composite.
TIA
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By: Newforest - 24th June 2008 at 23:10

G-AEDL was wfu at Heston in 1939, so it is a cadidate. No trace of the colour scheme.

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By: Eye on the Sky - 24th June 2008 at 23:08

Not a problem, I have been meaning to do it for some time. The loading certainly looks like a tricky operation. Looking at the image, there is in fact two chaps sat on the starboard float. Could they be counter-balancing against wind? The surface of the water on the left hand of the image shows the sort of ripples created by a mild wind (mild of course until you are trying to carry out a precise operation such as this).

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By: RPSmith - 24th June 2008 at 22:59

Thanks for posting the pics.

I am intrigued at the angle “Mercury” is hanging at – the chap on the starboard float may be acting as ballast to reduce what was an even worse angle?. I believe some single-engined seaplanes such as the Schneider Trophy racers could transfer fuel to one float as ballast to counteract torque when taxying/taking off but “Mercury” wouldn’t have had that problem.

Anyone any ideas??

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By: Eye on the Sky - 24th June 2008 at 22:56

Certainly the most likely, if it was painted black (or a very dark colour) it could be the aircraft in question.

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By: garryrussell - 24th June 2008 at 22:51

A long shot

There was a Falcon Six G-AEDL

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By: Seafuryfan - 24th June 2008 at 22:50

Here’s that clock from one of the aircraft (Mayo I think) that I mentioned. It still keeps good time.

If anyone is into clocks I’d welcome more about it.

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By: Eye on the Sky - 24th June 2008 at 21:58

Evening chaps, just dug out the ‘looking glass’…the aircraft on the right handside is a Miles Falcon Six, registration G-AFAY. The aircraft on the left handside is also a Falcon six, howeve I am really struggling with the registration. The first two letters are G-A, the third looks like F and the fourth L but it doesnt bring any results that match. Any further guesses?

Im off to the library tomorrow so I will try and get a scan done and post it when I can.

Glad the pictures were of interest…The annotation certainly says trial flight too…

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By: kev35 - 24th June 2008 at 19:58

Galdri.

A quick look at a magnification leads me to think that the rearmost miles is G-AFBV which was a Miles M11A Whitney Straight. Does it look anything like one? I thought they looked like Falcons.

As for the Composite I know and can add precisely nothing, other than to say isn’t it fascinating what you can glean from a place like this?

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By: Arabella-Cox - 24th June 2008 at 19:57

Flight archive

I would recommend running a search of the ‘Flight’ archive here…

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/index.html

I had a quick look and could find no reference to either Maia or Mercury in Khartoum but its probably worth checking. Some really good articles on the composite.

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By: Pondskater - 24th June 2008 at 19:47

Chase aircraft to record the first separation? Unlikely to be Short Bros aircraft – I would have expected them to use their Scion. Possibly press?

The weather on 5th Feb 38 was too rough for the planned separation to take place and it took place the next day as a spur of the moment thing because conditions were ideal, all apparently unobserved. Remarkable really considering the number of aircraft following the day before.

The well known sequence of photos and film is of the second separation on 23rd February.

Shows how much can be gleaned from sharing a couple of pics.

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By: galdri - 24th June 2008 at 19:24

Mmmmmmiles:D The composit is escorted by what looks like two Miles M3 Falcons, and the wingtip visible in the picture looks very “Miles”. I seriously doubt this is a trial flight. Two (maybe three) aircraft from a different manufacturer would not be so close on a trial flight, IMHO. Would be great to know the reggies of the two Miles aircraft. Can anything be made out on the original?

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By: Pondskater - 24th June 2008 at 19:04

Very nice photos -thanks for sharing them 😎

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By: Eye on the Sky - 24th June 2008 at 18:23

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Deano86/IMG_5235-1.jpg, for some reason the edit button won’t work on my p.c

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By: Eye on the Sky - 24th June 2008 at 18:13

I was given these two photographs a while ago, i’ve quickly searched google to ensure i’m not wasting anyones time with repeats…

They are copies, both have labels glued to the back. I’m afraid I don’t have a scanner, so photographs will have to do.

The below image is dated 5.2.38 and is noted as being a trial flight.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Deano86/IMG_5234.jpg

This image is dated January 26th, and as being at Rochester. “Further Trials”.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Deano86/IMG_5235.jpg

Hope they are of interest,

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By: Resmoroh - 23rd June 2008 at 15:04

Many thanks for all the additional info – especially the videos!
If the o/hd Dundee to Orange River flight (sea-plane distance record) took place on 6 Oct 38 then Mercury cannot have been at Khartoum at that time. We are assured (from the witness account) that both a/c were at Khartoum so that it looks most likely that Maia was pre-positioned at Khartoum for the S Africa>UK return leg. The distance Orange River > Khartoum is about 2700 n miles. Would this have been within the capabilities of Mercury (assuming all other things equal)? Or did she ‘lob in’ elsewhere on the way to Khartoum?
Whilst all of this is only of minor interest in the big scheme of things, I did note that that man Bennett was involved! Was there an aviation pie he did not have his finger in? (quite apart from PFF!!!!).
Tks to All
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By: garryrussell - 23rd June 2008 at 00:05

How’s about a vid;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYtazEBQ1K8

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By: steve_p - 22nd June 2008 at 23:58

Did the ‘combination’ visit Felixstowe?

Yep. The two aircraft arrived on 17th March, 1938 for full load separation trials. The first full load separation took place on 9th May 1938.

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By: Rogier - 22nd June 2008 at 23:41

Did the ‘combination’ visit Felixstowe?

I had a photograph of it, probably taken at Felixstowe. Unfortunately the photo was destroyed in an accident 😡

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By: Newforest - 22nd June 2008 at 08:31

Could the sightings been of a Scion Senior, a similar aeroplane?

The Senior looks a bit lower on the floats in this photo!

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/s22.html

Edit.Would add that picture six seems to portray a different float gear assembly.

http://www.icarusbooks.com/images/Ardath-2.jpg

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By: scion - 22nd June 2008 at 08:19

Could the sightings been of a Scion Senior, a similar aeroplane?

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