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I was looking for “European Wrecks and Relics” on Amazon.co.uk and noted that the publishing date was “2Rev Ed edition (Aug 1998)”

Since even wrecks and relics tend to move around, i hesitated with a purchase.

Are there really no current edition, or at least this millenia?

Or is there another “Bible” for European wrecks and relics?

I already have a few of the UK books (scaring visitors who pass my bookshelf) and really enjoy browsing in them. Would like the Euro book too, but 10 years seem too old.

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By: Jagx204 - 16th April 2008 at 12:42

Again cover Military only, but there is our sister site ‘Eurodemobbed’

http://www.eurodemobbed.org.uk/

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By: Bograt - 16th April 2008 at 12:23

Looking for something else today and found this;

http://www.gatwickaviationsociety.org.uk/survivors2007.asp

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By: Archer - 15th March 2008 at 15:36

There is a small book that was issued in 2005 covering the Netherlands: http://www.aviationmegastore.com/?shopid=LM477ff16d75c48120c5483ce42b&action=prodinfo&parent_id=0&art=58337

The descriptive text is in Dutch but the addresses and aircraft registrations/numbers should be multi-lingual I guess.

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By: Mondariz - 15th March 2008 at 06:59

There is also a third edition published in 2002

see here

http://www.transportdiversions.com/publicationshow.asp?pubid=3579

Aha! So they have kept it up. Good I will buy that.

Thanks for the info.

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By: Thunderbird167 - 14th March 2008 at 21:22

There is also a third edition published in 2002

see here

http://www.transportdiversions.com/publicationshow.asp?pubid=3579

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By: contrailjj - 14th March 2008 at 18:50

I’ve got a little old battered gem in my collection that I picked up for 50 cents when the local library was selling off old, damaged books.

‘Veteran & Vintage Aircraft’ by Leslie Hunt from some time in the late 1960s. An amazingly detailed collection of photos and notations on individual aircraft and collections around the world… 3,350 entries on 1,025 types.

By no means current, but an amazing insight into where the world-wide preservation scene was ‘at’.

JJ

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By: Mondariz - 14th March 2008 at 18:45

I have ‘Air transport hulks’, by Nigel Tomkins. Airline Publications, november 1979. Bought it at Foyles in London for 4,95 pounds. It was one of the first attempts of charting the WFU and derelict aircraft worldwide in one book. Lots of data such as registrations, construction numbers and a lot of photos of exotic locations. Like a bunch of Caravelles stored at Tunis, or the Carvair (HI-172) “converted into a restaurant” in Santo Domingo. As far as I know this was never followed up. But now, we have the internet……….

Tillerman.

That must have been some book

1979: Morotai and other exotic places still overflowing with WWII aircraft.

Does it have any pacific aircraft mentioned?

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By: Tillerman - 14th March 2008 at 18:28

I have ‘Air transport hulks’, by Nigel Tomkins. Airline Publications, november 1979. Bought it at Foyles in London for 4,95 pounds. It was one of the first attempts of charting the WFU and derelict aircraft worldwide in one book. Lots of data such as registrations, construction numbers and a lot of photos of exotic locations. Like a bunch of Caravelles stored at Tunis, or the Carvair (HI-172) “converted into a restaurant” in Santo Domingo. As far as I know this was never followed up. But now, we have the internet……….

Tillerman.

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By: Bruce - 14th March 2008 at 07:02

Thanks – I’ve been looking for that as well!

Bruce

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By: Mondariz - 14th March 2008 at 06:05

Thanks for the tip, i’ll be sure to get that soon.

It seems there are none that covers civilian W&R anymore, thats a shame but its also a huge task to locate and note all those aircraft.

Maybe its a future community task, a group in each country adding their local W&R to an online database.

I will try to make a list for Denmark and upload it to a website, maybe even build a website where other people can upload pictures and information on W&R.

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By: avion ancien - 13th March 2008 at 21:03

civil aircraft

So is there nothing which covers civil aircraft in Europe, but outside the UK, that fall into the W&R category?

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By: Bograt - 13th March 2008 at 20:47

The closest thing nowadays would be “European Military out of Service” commonly known as EMOOS. It’s by Otger van der Kooij and Andy Marden, two very knowledgeable chaps. You can buy it from the Scramble shop:

http://www.scramble.nl/shop.htm

You beat me to it!

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By: VX927 - 13th March 2008 at 20:46

Mondariz,
I posted a similar question about 6 months ago and got a nice reply from someone (forgive me but I forget who it was).

The book you want is “European Military Out Of Service 2007 – Formally known as European Wrecks & Relics. It’s published by Scramble and is a great book.

Merlin 70. The wrecks and relics you’re referring too only covers the UK… i think Mondariz is looking for something that covers the rest of Europe.

I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post the link but I’ll give it a go!… www.scramble.nl

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By: avion ancien - 13th March 2008 at 20:22

Non UK publications

That’s got me thinking. Are books similar to W&R produced by publishers in any other European countries listing the aircraft wrecks and relics in either the country of publication or across Europe? I have never seen or heard of such a publication existing or being on sale in France. I have no knowledge of other European countries. Does anyone have or know of such publications?

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By: Mondariz - 13th March 2008 at 19:18

I already have WRECKS & RELICS 19th Edition and “The Album” pictorial.

Great books and thats why i was looking for the European book. I live in Denmark and travel more in mainland Europe than the British islands.

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By: merlin70 - 13th March 2008 at 19:00

How about Wrecks & relics 20th edition?

WRECKS & RELICS: 20th Edition

Now reaching its 20th edition, with publication stretching over a 45-year period, the biennial publication of this standard reference work on preserved, instructional and derelict airframes in the United Kingdom and Ireland, is eagerly awaited by aviation enthusiasts all over the country. Wrecks & Relics records all non-operational aircraft wherever they are to be found, in a county-by-county and province-by-province journey around the British Isles. It visits museums, military stores and dumps, the places where geriatric airliners await the axe and the workshops where aircraft are being lovingly restored. Aircraft are traced to technical schools, treasures are discovered in garages and barns and as gate guardians outside defence establishments. Bruised airframes used to train firefighters are also here. Fully revised and updated as always, the full-colour 64 page photographic section has also been refreshed with much new material. Wrecks & Relics is a unique publication and the essential reference book for all aviation enthusiasts.

Author: Ken Ellis
Format: HB 96 pages
Publisher: Midland Publishing
Pub date: May 2006
ISBN 10: 1857802357
ISBN 13: 9781857802351

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By: RPSmith - 13th March 2008 at 18:56

There is Bob Ogden’s “Aviation Museums and Collections of Mainland Europe” (pub. by Air Britain) that came out about 1 1/2 years ago. It is what it says and thus does not cover scrapyards, odd relics, etc.

Roger Smith.

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