Where is this Museum?

The big problem with all aircraft collections is that corrosion will take it’s toll. How safe are the undercarriages,and corroded wing mount’s will be very difficult to remove,should the aircraft be moved in the future. The only way is to get aircraft under cover. Just look at the work at Duxford required on the Varsity,Shackleton and Victor despite working partie’s over the years they were parked outside.

I was of course being slightly facetious.

There are a host of things one needs to open a museum to a professional standard.

To start ones own collection, one needs rather less. Even money, if you start with the right airframe, may not be everything!

Bruce

Not to forget the other essentials of opening a collection and or allowing volunteers to work on or arround exhibits.

Public and Employers liability insurance and health and safety all of which add to the need for cash or time

For those who dont want to join an existing group, then consider going and starting your own collection – all you need is land, time, time, and err more time!

And a bucket load of willing, able and trustworthy volunteers.

And there is the problem with a lot of collections, a lack of volunteers.

……… For those who dont want to join an existing group, then consider going and starting your own collection – all you need is land, time, time, and err more time! …. Bruce

You forgot that root of all evil – Money, cash, filthy lucre, etc., etc. :diablo:

Roger Smith.

We have been picking on one particular group of aircraft, where in fact there are plenty up and down the country in similar states; some as part of a ‘museum’, some are private collections.

We have already mentioned the collection at Lasham, and I can think of three or four other groups of aircraft in similar states.

For those who dont want to join an existing group, then consider going and starting your own collection – all you need is land, time, time, and err more time!

One of my own Vampires would hardly win any prizes for best preserved aircraft right now!

Bruce

Mike – not every preservation group has always preserved aircraft. I can think of the top of my head of the following

Anson scrapped at Norwich
Beverley at Hendon
F-100/T-33/Mystere at Cardiff
Gannet AEW.3 at Cardiff
Sycamore ex Hemswell
Mystere ex Hemswell
Comet 2 at Duxford
Varsity at Duxford
Convair at Duxford
Vulcan at Cardiff

Don’t assume that an aircraft just because it’s in a museum will necessarily survive long term. The aircraft are stored at Long Marsden – when the situation changes I am sure they will enter ‘preservation’ where ever that might be. Stuart and friends have achieved what they have through their own efforts – easy again to criticise but they are in a position of having done it not talked about doing it.

And here is a link for anyone saying who, what, where?

http://www.forpilots.com/archive/rec.aviation.restoration/2/msg2134.htm

I’m probably going to get hate mail for the rest of my life for what I’m about to say but I’ll say it anyway. Anyone with a collection like that who refuses the offer of free help is crazy. If they have no intention of maintaining them in a reasonable condition fit for at least static display what is the point of owning them? Far better that they were spread around among the various groups of preservers/restorers who would at least look after them.

Mike I have one name for you,

Walter Soplata go tell him what you just posted and see what his answer is.

I’m probably going to get hate mail for the rest of my life for what I’m about to say but I’ll say it anyway. Anyone with a collection like that who refuses the offer of free help is crazy. If they have no intention of maintaining them in a reasonable condition fit for at least static display what is the point of owning them? Far better that they were spread around among the various groups of preservers/restorers who would at least look after them.

I do agree with most of what you’re sayin DB, but why is outside help seemingly being turned down? Thats the part I don’t understand, I would much rather help, than knock someone for saving these airframes. Like Nashio says, even if its cutting the grass.

Indeed – the British weather is a problem for all aircraft that are outside.
Sadly the numbers outside compared to the numbers of volunteers to maintain them in the long run might be unsustainable.

With all due credit to David Burke for saving the airframes, unless you have a lot of support and get the airframes under cover ,the English weather and time will take it’s toll on aircraft in the open. I do have a vested interest cause my late father flew the JP T.4 XP568 in 1966/7 in it’s Cranwell days.

Thank you for that link WIEESSO, I think I will continue remembering these as lovely girls at Stansted in the early 60’s.
David Burke, Yes very true and very wise words indeed, in my opinion. Keith.

The contact is in Wrecks and Relics. The aircraft are presently stored. There is no pretext or indeed intention that it’s going to become Warwickshire’s
Duxford. As for Stuart and his saving of a great many of these airframes – he financed it out of his own pocket and got on with it.

I imagine if he was bothered about what people think of his efforts he would log on and reply. Invariably though I think he probably takes the view that people should show him their collection of aircraft they have saved from scrapping before criticising him .

For an aviator to visit Long Marston it’s far too sad on the eye, the collection is long past it and for those who think it can happen ,get real !

‘Long Marsden can also be viewed by appointment’ Who is the contact point for a visit then?
Its the fact that willing help gets turned down, that really adds to the sadness of the collection.

Has anybody got a photo of this prince ? or is it too sad to look at ? Keith.

2005
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Percival_Sea_Prince_1/0796786/large/

Martin

Has anybody got a photo of this prince ? or is it too sad to look at ? Keith.

Preservation ? it’s appalling to see the vandalised and defaced Sea Prince on the gate. The whole place is an eyesore, give what’s left to a museum that can use the spares.