A few 1960s pix

Just for the record the registration G-APWT belongs to a Currie Wot.

British reistered Piaggio P166 & P166 B were G-APSJ, G-APWY, G-APXK, G-APYP, G-ARUJ, G-ASPC, G-AVSM & G-AWWJ. The P 166 B was known as the Portofino.

G-APNY was carried by a Piaggio P. 136-L. There was one other of the type registered G-AOFN. I think it more likely these were known as Albatross although I do not recall the name being used.

Oh yes, the “pix” of the military hardware were pretty good too………!!!!

Planemike

So I guess the rarity of the C-133 is the reason for the photograph at a time when my father normally took only family shots. it is 56-2001 -is it the first of a particular production batch I wonder…..

62001 was part of the third batch of C-133As, in the middle of that bunch. Check my C-133 web site, http://www.angelfire.com/wa2/c133bcargomaster/home.html for a complete list of all C-133s.

Thankyou for the link – its great to see a plane early on in a very long career -when these shots of 65-0970 were taken my father was working for the Crown Agents so his reason for being on the base would be to learn about some new equipment that he could sell to Asian /African governments to help them spend their British foreign aid payments – perhaps even something to do with this plane & its equipment.

So I guess the rarity of the C-133 is the reason for the photograph at a time when my father normally took only family shots. it is 56-2001 -is it the first of a particular production batch I wonder…..
Thankyou all for your replies that help me enjoy my father´s pix so much more…-and clearly post war French planes are not that easy even for experts to identify when flying;)

You are welcome. Re the C133 serial number, yes is the simple answer. The USAF serial system is derived form the early ’40s system of allocating a fiscal year (the year that the aircraft was ordered, or money allocated to its production – not the year it entered service). The individual number for the aircraft has to be 4 digits long. Anything less than 1000 has 0’s installed to make a 4 digit number. So simply, 56-2001 is the 2001st aircraft ordered in fiscal year 1956. The HC130 would have been the 970th ordered in 1965….
Re your last sentence, the Flamant (correct spelling) is a vastly different beast to a Martinet 😉 :diablo:

Thats something I had forgotten, C133’s on Green One passing Newbury would make the window resonate way before you could hear them. Remember standing in the rain as one passed by. Now the only thing to rattle the windows is a Chinook.

Incidentally the G- reg aircraft in the background of the Herc is a Piaggio P166 Albatross. Some were UK registered, G-APNY and G-APWT for example but I cannot be sure of the one in the picture.

Richard

Astounding knowledge, it is G-APWT in the background

65-0970 is still alive and well ….

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6044168&nseq=3

The Fulton recovery system (demonstrated at several airshows through the ’80s) was abandoned in the early ’90s. I would say the pics of the HC130 were at RAF Woodbridge were they were based with the 67ARRS (later SOS) from 1970 until closure in 1992

Thankyou for the link – its great to see a plane early on in a very long career -when these shots of 65-0970 were taken my father was working for the Crown Agents so his reason for being on the base would be to learn about some new equipment that he could sell to Asian /African governments to help them spend their British foreign aid payments – perhaps even something to do with this plane & its equipment.

So I guess the rarity of the C-133 is the reason for the photograph at a time when my father normally took only family shots. it is 56-2001 -is it the first of a particular production batch I wonder…..
Thankyou all for your replies that help me enjoy my father´s pix so much more…-and clearly post war French planes are not that easy even for experts to identify when flying;)

The only active C-133 I ever saw was at the 1970 Lakenheath Open House

Never saw a “live” Cargomaster. One was booked for the first Air Tattoo at Greenham Common in 1973 but it failed to show. 🙁

The C-133 is/was a rare aircraft.
Growing up on air bases in the 60s, I never saw one and wondered why.
A recent Air International article reported they were primarily used for trans-ocean cargo trips (the main exception was to transport ICBM boosters within the U.S.) and they weren’t cleared for troop or personnel transport.

As mentioned earlier, fatigue issues prompted their withdrawl, though by that time (circa 1970) the C-141 and C-5 had replaced them.

Two were later used in Alaska, however because of certification issues, their use was limited to the transport of governemnt owned outsize cargo. One was broken up a few years ago.
The other is still at Anchorage and, at last report, was still flyable.

Cracking shots there Pogno, those C-133s are lovely, dad hated them because they always shaked the house when leaving St Mawgan.

Thats something I had forgotten, C133’s on Green One passing Newbury would make the window resonate way before you could hear them. Remember standing in the rain as one passed by. Now the only thing to rattle the windows is a Chinook.

Incidentally the G- reg aircraft in the background of the Herc is a Piaggio P166 Albatross. Some were UK registered, G-APNY and G-APWT for example but I cannot be sure of the one in the picture.

Richard

Can anyone confirm the Martinet is a version of the Siebel 204, its a little unclear from this thread 🙂 :diablo:

Confirmation.

Martin

http://caea.free.fr/en/coll/martinet.html

I find the Martinet more interesting than the Neptune. Must be the first photo I’ve ever seen of one flying. For those who dont know (or care) the Martinet is a French postwar version of the Siebel 204.

Martin

Can anyone confirm the Martinet is a version of the Siebel 204, its a little unclear from this thread 🙂 :diablo:

No, the Dassault MD-315 Flamant has a pronounced dihedralled tailplane and a much rounder fuselage. It is an SNCA NC-702 Martinet.

John

I find the Martinet more interesting than the Neptune. Must be the first photo I’ve ever seen of one flying. For those who dont know (or care) the Martinet is a French postwar version of the Siebel 204.

Martin

Cracking shots there Pogno, those C-133s are lovely, dad hated them because they always shaked the house when leaving St Mawgan.

The second picture is of a Douglas C133 Cargomaster.
Not sure but the registration on the fin looks like 62001 which makes it a C-133A full registration 56-2001.
These were fantastic aircraft with a very distinctive drone sound that could be heard for ages as it passed by at altidude. They suffered from severe airframe fatigue especially the foreward fuselage and consequently had a short life.
Although one was operational in Alaska until recently. Used for moving outsize loads to remote airfields.

Richard

65-0970 is still alive and well ….

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6044168&nseq=3

The Fulton recovery system (demonstrated at several airshows through the ’80s) was abandoned in the early ’90s. I would say the pics of the HC130 were at RAF Woodbridge were they were based with the 67ARRS (later SOS) from 1970 until closure in 1992

The aircraft following the Neptune is a Flamont.

No, the Dassault MD-315 Flamant has a pronounced dihedralled tailplane and a much rounder fuselage. It is an SNCA NC-702 Martinet.

John

A mionor point. The HC (rescue) 130 probably isn’t working with a weather balloon. They were equipped with the Fulton (forked nose) system to snag a baloon and thus hoist someone off the ground.
For video, watch the end of Thunderball.

There is a good chance the plane is still around, the HC’s had a long life. Many were convereted into special ops birds.

The escorting French type is a Martinet which is a derived French built Siebel 204 and the second shot is a Douglas C133.

John

The aircraft following the Neptune is a Flamont.