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Unknown type plate…

After a little walk with my metal detector through the woods near Amersfoort, Holland we did found a lot of pieces of aluminium, a few blown .303’s cartridges (by heat?) and 2 intact .303 cartridges with 1941 headstamps . This could be a crashsite, but we searched all over the internet and didn’t find anything about a crash on that location.
The second time we found on the same location a lot of more pieces of aluminum and this twisted type plate. After cleaning it up we saw some text and numbers.
After a search on the internet we founded this neat forum and we discovered that “VACH” probably stands for “Vickers Armstrong Chester”. Can someone tell us what the numbers mean or where the plate is from?

A little explainasion of the picture (not all the numbers and text are visible, I shot the picture with my phone camera): On the top right corner “MK IV”, under “MK IV” we see “VACH”, under “VACH” we see “1217A”. Then there is a text “MODEL NUMBERS” with the numbers “785”, “867” and “1100”.

Many thanks in advance!

Greetings from Holland,
Danny

PS. Excuse me for bad my English… 😉

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By: Cees Broere - 9th September 2007 at 10:43

Cees,It never ceases to shock me how incredibly close Dutch are to Norwegian when it comes to the sound of many words… I don’t know a word of Dutch,but I could read that…:cool:

Well, you do now

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By: D@nny - 8th September 2007 at 15:22

It depends on a number of factors but it is highly probable that the route was not direct. ‘Dog-leg’ courses would be flown to avoid flak (as you say) but also to avoid giving away the target before the attack began. Earlier in the war crews were I believe, free to set their own route and timings, later the ‘bomber stream’ proper was developed.

Of course they could have been lost; bombers could be routinely tens-of-kilometres off track. Or they could have been pushed off track by the weather or by some technical malfunction.

Thanks for the answer. I do learn more everyday here. (only my English grammar is still poor, but I’m working on it… ;))

If a bomber broke up in mid-air at an operational height 15,000ft say, parts of the wreckage could easily come down several kilometres apart.

Hmm, this could be happend with this Wellington I think.

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By: Creaking Door - 8th September 2007 at 15:02

Question 1: Did they flew always straight to the target or had they a sort of flightplan (to avoid flak etc.)? Because the crashsite isn’t inline with Snaith and Bremen.

It depends on a number of factors but it is highly probable that the route was not direct. ‘Dog-leg’ courses would be flown to avoid flak (as you say) but also to avoid giving away the target before the attack began. Earlier in the war crews were I believe, free to set their own route and timings, later the ‘bomber stream’ proper was developed.

Of course they could have been lost; bombers could be routinely tens-of-kilometres off track. Or they could have been pushed off track by the weather or by some technical malfunction.

Question 2: Is it possible that they hit the Wellington by flak (it was shot down by flak), some pieces fell down on our spot and the rest of the Wellington fell down a couple of kilometers further?

If a bomber broke up in mid-air at an operational height 15,000ft say, parts of the wreckage could easily come down several kilometres apart.

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By: RF769 - 8th September 2007 at 14:58

Inderdaad, De Chester fabriek van Vickers Armstrong bouwde hoofdzakelijk Wellington bommenwerpers.

Sorry chaps

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Cees,It never ceases to shock me how incredibly close Dutch are to Norwegian when it comes to the sound of many words… I don’t know a word of Dutch,but I could read that…:cool:

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By: D@nny - 8th September 2007 at 14:13

Question 1: Did they flew always straight to the target or had they a sort of flightplan (to avoid flak etc.)? Because the crashsite isn’t inline with Snaith and Bremen.

Question 2: Is it possible that they hit the Wellington by flak (it was shot down by flak), some pieces fell down on our spot and the rest of the Wellington fell down a couple of kilometers further?

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By: D@nny - 6th September 2007 at 23:55

I posted it on the API board. Hopefully they can tell me more about the plate. At Wikipedia I saw that the Wellington Mk. IV (if it’s a Wellington Mk IV ;)) were flown by 2 Polish Squadrons. We are going to scan the location a.s.a.p. with my new deepseeker and hopefully we will find some bigger parts in deeper ground. Be continued… 😀

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By: Cees Broere - 6th September 2007 at 08:01

Inderdaad, De Chester fabriek van Vickers Armstrong bouwde hoofdzakelijk Wellington bommenwerpers.

Sorry chaps

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By: merkle - 6th September 2007 at 07:46

SORRY

sorry there i ballsed up ,just posted the thread and realised you had VACH not VACB,
sorry about that ,my mistake half asleep in the morning .
looks like it is chester
sorry again

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By: merkle - 6th September 2007 at 07:42

Plate

Hi, Just to let you know , Ive been a aiation archaeologist for some time now and i know from past experiance what VACB stands for you were nearly right:)
it stands for “VICKERS ARMSTRONG CASTLE BROMWICH”

they made mostly spitfires during ww2 but i believe other types too
but it was mainly a spitfire works ,
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By: D@nny - 6th September 2007 at 01:15

Thank you Peter and Denis, I have read a lot of threads already with pleasure!

There is a Wellington crashed between Amersfoort and Woudenberg (my grandfather saw it crashing and saw some remains/parts of the crew 😮 when he was watching what was happened), but that’s not the place we found. :confused:

Thanks for the link Denis, I bookmarked it! Tomorrow (today ;)) I will post it also overthere, beacause it’s a quarter past 2 here in Holland and my alarmclock shall try to wake me up in about 5 hours… :rolleyes:

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By: Denis - 6th September 2007 at 01:00

One other option if no one can help, is to post this on the following URL..

http://www.iphpbb.com/board/fs-81805422nx79380.html

This is a specialist board where such details can be posted, Other very knowledgable people will certainly help you with your identification, by the way, your written English is very much better than any Dutch I could try and write:D ..Welcome to the forum D@nny!

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By: Peter - 6th September 2007 at 00:52

Welcome to the forum Danny.

From the photo and your description it sounds like it is a mod plate from a vickers aircraft, possibly a vickers wellington bomber.

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