I know the pictures you are talking about but I don’t see any problem. I’ll get into them later on today and will see if I can figure out what Gardiner is on about. There is a slight snag though. According to the H&W list both pictures are of the Olympic. H1515 was taken in April 1911 and H1825 in December 1912. By that time the Titanic was on the bottom of the Atlantic. If Mr. Gardiner had done his homework he would have known. Oh sorry, it’s a conspiracy, isn’t it? So the files must be forged! :diablo: However, if you check to two following photos H1826 and H1827 (Olympic) you will see that the bridge wing cabs haven’t been moved further outboard. This alteration took place on Olympic after the Titanic disaster. So if the ship on the ocean floor is the Olympic, it should have bridge wings that were flush with the surface of the hull, correct?

It is a conspiracy! All we need is a murder an a kidnapping thrown in and we have a full set! (given that it was supposedly Olympic, on fire, and with a broken keel.) Conveniently for the conspiracy theorist types the bridge wings didn’t survive did they? Most of the bridge was wiped out.

You’re being sarcastic. The bell that was found is not the bell people expected to see. Only ONE bell had the name of the ship on it. Apparently they didn’t find that one. Like I said the size of the bell doesn’t match any bell in the rigging plan

Admittedly that was a bit sarcastic, though I wouldn’ really expect anything down there in that area not to come off Titanic. Unless it came from the missing sub, or the mystery ship which she supposedly collided with (The mor I read Mr Gardiners book, the more I think it has more paralllels with Clive Cusslers novels than reality)

The White Swan Hotel has the First Class Lounge and parts of the Grand Staircase. Whenever you’re in that area check it out, the lounge is huge and very impressive.

I’ve put it on my ever growing to do list! A couple of friends suggested I go have a look a while back.

They are! You’ve never seen the film have you? Send me your address via pm and I’ll see if I can get a copy out to you. Gimmi a few weeks though.

Peter

To be honest, it was ages ago when I watched it. No need to go copying it, its on the internet. I’ll have a look again. (Just to check.. I am right in thinking it’s the one with Telly Savalas hosting it, yes??)

I think I’m going to leave this discussion here anyway, as I’m sick of Mr Gardiners book now, and his arguments get weirder and weaker throughout the book. I’ve chucked it in the recycle pile and dug out my copy of Dr Ballards “Discovery of the Titanic”, as it’s a better read.

Just a question as you’re obviously into Titanic in a big way, did they ever find out what happened to the first memorial plaque Dr Ballard laid? Someone told me he had to put another down on his last trip as the original had gone.

Regards,

Ric