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plawolf
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to clear things up

“First you say this:

“as for ‘reuniting on equal terms’, well, with no disrespect, but ur a little nieve to think that’ll happen. NO nation or leader on earth would accept those therms if they were in the PRC’s shoes,”

And then you say this:

“we’re not asking them to just ‘junk their system of government/law and assimilate into this economic progression that the geniuses of PRC are planning’. ever hear of the ‘one nation two rules’ ‘thingy’? ppl like u were predicting that hong kong and marco would become communist armed camps where the ppl have to eat what they r given, do waht they are told and even take a pi$$ when they’re ordered. “

So which is it?”

the first quote u made was my answer to ur suggestion that the PRC should reunite on equal terms with taiwan. i took that(reunite on equal terms) as u trying to say that chen and co should get an equal (to beijing) say in deciding the fate of the 1.3 bn chinese on the mainland. that, of course will never happen, not even chen himself dreamed of asking for such terms.

the second quote u made is the ‘unequal terms’ the PRC is offering the ppl of taiwan. the biggest ‘inequality’ will probably be that the new mayor/governer (?) of taiwan will not have the level of political freedom as they have now (cant just decide to buy $bns worth of weapons for the US etc). also, the ppl of taiwan may not have a say in who gets a few posts in government. (there will be a few downsides to reunification, as there are with any political decision)

“You say that PRC has a claim on Taiwan because chang ki shek (spelling?) stole money and resouces from the mainland? I guess the UK has a claim on current US wealth because the colonists took british resources when they claimed independance. Howabout money/resources Hitler took, or Napolean? I could probably give you a few a hundred examples of countries that have spit or been conquered in the past 200 years where one country could claim damages or money owed from another. This arguement carrys no weight.”

with all due respect, but what the KMD took to taiwan
at the end of the chinese civil war cant be compaire with what the US took from the brits when they declear independence or what was taken by foreign invaders after invasions, the KMD practically took the kicten sink with them. taking in mind that china has just emergered from 100+ years of war and invasion, the KMD left us with pratically nothing (most african nations were probably richer then china at the time). and because of it, tens of thousands if not millions died of starvation in the PRC (poor management and unsuccessful reforms also played a big part, but the fact that the PRC only has abt $1 in the bank didnt help things much).

and anyways, it was muturally accepted (ie, both taiwan and the PRC agreed on it) that taiwan was a part of china. they agreed to that and signed treaties with us, so its not like we’re just laying claim to an independent nation as say, what the US is doing to iraq.

” am in the process of trying to become a Mexican citizen. And yes Im very concerned that the mainland Chineese economy is going to empoverish the Mexican economy. Ofcourse I dont want Mexico to remain a source of labor for other countrys, Id like to see industrial development here. But until that happens, Id like to see a good level of minimum living standards for factory labor. Believe it or not, I AM actually concerned about Chineese industrial development more than their labor competition. If it wasnt China making it difficult for Mexico now, it could easily be somewhere else, Africa for example.”

nice to see that u are actually quite truthful and graceful abt some things, guess i was wrong abt u, and sorry if i went too far abt mexico in my last post.

but the fact is china’s industrial development is benefiting a great deal from our cheap labour. i must admit, it doesnt feel good at all to see chinese being exploited (which is pretty much what happens), but do remeber that no one forced those ppl to work in sweatshop or force them to accpet the low wages that they take. if anything, the authorities are trying to stop or at least reduce the floow of migrant workers from the rural areas.