109 (minor) prang in Canada…

I am looking forward to the concise and reasoned judgement of Transport Canada on the subject. Interestingly looking at Jerry Billings site it appears that obstruction problems in Canada are prevalent !

Is nice to see the aircraft back flying!!!

Here is one of my photos from the Red Bull Windsor race – I think it is a bit evocative as Race Day was the 6th of June – 66 years after D-Day!!!

I am pretty sure on that day 66 years ago there was no one who would have thought that this photo could ever be taken!!

Regards,

Truc

It seems this thread got totally out of hand after a minority made claims with no substance over a incident they did not witness.
As I see it the facts are a Aircraft had a collision with a object that should not have been there, And the pilot then managed to land the aircraft without further damage to the aircraft or harm to himself. Anything else is speculation and assumption as none of us were in the cockpit at that time so none of us can say what the pilot did or did not see, As until the accident is investigated that is as far as it can go. Luckily because the number one witness(the pilot) is still alive the investigation will be able to know everything that occured in that cockpit.

Personally its sad that people want to sully a well respected, Skilled and safe pilot and for that reason I do not mention his name in my posting nor make any assumptions, I only wish others could do the same.

On a lighter note its good to see both pilot and Aircraft live to see another day.

I second the thoughts echoed here,I was following with interest and a one stage thought we would get handbags a 50 paces but thats just me I suppose

Some quick research shows this to be on the Canadian register so there should be an air accident report for it. Nothing appears though here:

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/aviation/index.asp

Seems the Canadians works slower than the UK AAIB at getting the information promulgated?

Never did hear what the outcome was other than the person who put the poles up was a idiot.

The 109 was at Redbull a few weeks ago with Rick Volker displaying it.Will be at a little show in Midland Ontario in a few weeks, then in August it is out of service due to Prop annual ( no Thunder over Michigan )

Cheers Dave C

A year on – so what was the outcome of this incident or is it still be investigated?

I recently heard that the 109 is now all repaired..

I heard yeasturday at the CFB Trenton that the 109 wing has been removed and is in a repair shop here in Canada getting the damage fixed. Did not get a timeline on how long it will take and when it will be back in the air.

It is still on the list for the Thunder over Michigan show in the next few weeks, fingers crossed.

Cheers dave C

Awww, I think it should stay open – helps identify the forum experts….

Or maybe give the Mods one of those broad tip redaction pens the government used to hide the naughty bits!!!

I think this thread help no-one….we have a few facts and a million speculations! Incidents/accidents really need the factual end report not armchair ‘expert speculation’.

Bruce, I think this thread has over-run its course! A locking is well over-due in my humble opinion.

Lets not start this again. Please wait for the report before casting aspersions.

Bruce

Well then if they have been there a year, are legally below the minimum height then it is plain and simply Pilot Error…

The fact they are there is not good, but they are there and are known about, hence the only logical conclusion, Pilot error, he was flying low and below the minimum height.

Apparently you missed this part:

I fly in and out of that strip alot and did so during the last 4 years of shows.
I have discussed the incident with the investigating team.
There were other circumstances happening during the take off that distracted the pilot and caused the poles to become an issue
It is not my place to discuss them in a public post but they are significant factors that contributed greatly to the accident.

Nuff said!

Goodbye!

Well then if they have been there a year, are legally below the minimum height then it is plain and simply Pilot Error…

The fact they are there is not good, but they are there and are known about, hence the only logical conclusion, Pilot error, he was flying low and below the minimum height.

🙂 Brilliant,thanks for that 🙂

No not back in the air yet, however the neccesary sheet-metal parts to effect repair, have been made by a certain company on the IOW.

These enroute to Canada, hopefully repair work will be completed in time for 3579 to appear at Oshkosh.

Cheers, Chumpy.

🙂 Just wondered if she was back up and flying yet or any other outcome.

It seems this thread got totally out of hand after a minority made claims with no substance over a incident they did not witness.
As I see it the facts are a Aircraft had a collision with a object that should not have been there, And the pilot then managed to land the aircraft without further damage to the aircraft or harm to himself. Anything else is speculation and assumption as none of us were in the cockpit at that time so none of us can say what the pilot did or did not see, As until the accident is investigated that is as far as it can go. Luckily because the number one witness(the pilot) is still alive the investigation will be able to know everything that occured in that cockpit.

Personally its sad that people want to sully a well respected, Skilled and safe pilot and for that reason I do not mention his name in my posting nor make any assumptions, I only wish others could do the same.

On a lighter note its good to see both pilot and Aircraft live to see another day.

Indeed, as ever I seek to quell the unrest; not provoke more.

My comments were clearly not aimed at you.

Bruce

I think its hight itme we stopped dicussing this accident as if we all know exactly what happened.

Point of order, Bruce. Personally I haven’t discussed the accident; just pointed out the track record of a nasty little personality attempting to smear the reputation of several pilots. It’s notable he is then supported by someone who can’t tell the difference between talking offensive nonsense and actually standing up with something that needs to be aired. The fact that malcom’s supporter is the new identity of a poster previously banned for offensive behaviour is indicative of the level of contribution of these trolls.

Other posters have vented -not of great importance, IMHO, and a few (Fleet, David Cheeseman) have made relevant contributions that have given me more of an understanding of the case.

Aviation has the best structured safety systems I’m aware of in our societies; it’s not perfect, and improvements can be made. However malcom’s dubious attempts to distort data (easily seen in this thread) actively works against this worthwhile approach to improving safety. He’s the kind of poster who gives the internet a bad name, and needs to be given his ‘D’ hat nice and obviously so those with less time to sort the clowns from the rest can see him for what he is. (This is not a personal attack, as I’m sure he’s kind to animals, but an observation about the lack of value in his contribution here.)

Regards,

I think its hight itme we stopped dicussing this accident as if we all know exactly what happened.

Nobody who has posted on any of the message boards has stated exactly what happened, so this speculation is utterly worthless.

Wait until the report comes out; wait and see if any proceedings are brought, and then we will know the truth of it.

Patience!

Bruce