June 29, 2004 at 2:02 pm
Hello everyone
I’ve just started posting after lurking on the boards for a while.
Can anyone recommend a really in-depth book on British aircraft in the 1930s.
I’m particularly interested in the technical details of the Hawker Hart/Fury family, the Bristol Bulldog and the Vickers Valentia.
Many thanks
Alistair
By: Alistair - 1st July 2004 at 13:19
Luverly pictures – many thanks to all who posted them!
Damn, .
Lots more I’m sure – but if you can get to OW, for a Shuttleworth show,you’ll have a ‘blown away day’.
Can you make it?
Cheers / Salut
Unfortunately, I live in the frozen North of Scotland, so it’s a bit of a hike down to Shuttleworth. I fear the that the nearest I’ll be getting is to Leuchars (which does have the BBMF and its RN cousin this year)…
Thanks for the help!
Alistair
By: Andy in Beds - 30th June 2004 at 17:07
Holiday
Albert
if you’ve got stuff like that hidden away, do us a favour and take a days holiday and spend it posting the stuff on here.
Please! 🙂 🙂
Andy
By: JDK - 30th June 2004 at 16:46
Hear hear.
By: ALBERT ROSS - 30th June 2004 at 16:45
Bulldog air-to-air anyone?
…..okay, I can go one better than that! Here is the same aircraft taken on the same flight, this time air-to-air, not by me, but another gem in the Albert slide collection for you to enjoy 😉
By: Andy in Beds - 30th June 2004 at 16:38
Bulldog.
you get 10/10 for that one.
I’m somewhat envious that you saw that Albert.
MORE MORE MORE!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
By: ALBERT ROSS - 30th June 2004 at 16:34
The Bulldog Breed
…and talking about last flights, as Alistair mentioned the Bulldog, I thought I would share this gem in my slide collection with you. It shows the RAF Museum’s Bristol Bulldog, K2227/G-ABBB flying at Farnborough on Sunday 13th September 1964, about 5 minutes before it crashed and was written-off….only to become the source of a part-reproduction nearly 40 years later!
By: Phil Foster - 30th June 2004 at 16:30
I would recommend you start with the Putnam book on Flight Testing at Martlesham Heath
Hmmm. Martlesham Heath. A very good place to start yes. 🙂
By: Andy in Beds - 30th June 2004 at 16:30
Hart
Now that’s a great picture Albert.
Thanks for that–got anymore
Andy.
By: ALBERT ROSS - 30th June 2004 at 16:20
RAF Museum’s Hart
How many of you remember seeing the RAF Museum’s Hart flying? This is the last time I saw it in the air, at Little Rissington 11 Sept.1971.
By: Papa Lima - 30th June 2004 at 13:43
. . . and the one at Cosford looks like this
By: Papa Lima - 30th June 2004 at 13:38
Don’t forget the very special Swedish Harts!
By: JDK - 29th June 2004 at 21:30
Damn, The lisdexia’s showing again. Molesworth can’t spel as any fule kno…
Actually, the joke is that under the previous Ed, AM was best thought of as ‘Moths and some other planes’! 😀
Back to the point. There’s no online index I know of, but if you give AM a ring, or an e-mail to the office, they’ll help where they can – it’s polite to buy what threy offer, but most of the back issues are sold out.
Putnams are generally very good factually, but about as exciting as a Canadian election (you noticed yesterday? No? Then you get my point.) They are useless on the ‘there I was at nought feet’ bit too.
‘Dopey’ Edwards wrote a book about flying in that era. Also a book called ‘The Paladins’ gives a lot of info on how the 1930s RAF REALLY worked.
Lots more I’m sure – but if you can get to OW, for a Shuttleworth show,you’ll have a ‘blown away day’.
Can you make it?
Cheers / Salut
By: RobAnt - 29th June 2004 at 21:10
:rolleyes: 😀 :rolleyes:
By: Chipmunk Carol - 29th June 2004 at 21:07
Aeroplane Mothley.
🙂 Is this a de Havilland-specific magazine?
By: Alistair - 29th June 2004 at 20:58
Ta much for the information JDK!
I’ve got the Profile booklets on the Bulldog and the Hart, as well as a load of general aviation encyclopedias and I’ve been to Hendon and seen the Hart and Bulldog there. (Yes, even without a torch 🙂 ) Lovely ‘planes, especially the Hart.
Does anyone know if there’s an index on the internet of the issues of Aeroplane Monthly that feature these planes? Also, can anyone give me an idea how in-depth are the various Putnam books on Hawker/Supermarine etc. planes
As for why, it’s mostly pure nosiness/borderline obsessiveness. A combination of myopia, poor hand-eye coordination and slow reaction times means it would be really bad idea for me to try and fly any plane, never mind something that’s 60+ years old…
Cheers
Alistair
By: JDK - 29th June 2004 at 16:28
Thanks Albert.
Don’t buy it if you’ve got a completed set of Aeroplane Mothley. It’s in there (as I said) as a partwork. Does anyone know if the book version has any changes from the original text?
By: ALBERT ROSS - 29th June 2004 at 16:26
An excellent book covering this era is “On Silver Wings” by Alec Lumsden and Owen Thetford, published by Osprey Publishing. It covers RAF bi-planes between the wars and should be just what you’re looking for.
By: JDK - 29th June 2004 at 14:41
Welcome Alistair,
You’ll enjoy participating, I’m sure.
If you can get your hands on the Ray Rimmell magazine format book on the Hart Family (IIRC ‘Linewrights’ was the imprint) that has a lot of good pics / basic modeller aimed tech info.
Funnily enough we have a book on the Gloster Gauntlet / Britol Bulldog coming out soon – http://www.mmpbooks.biz
Aeroplane Monthly did a lot of good features over the years, many of which cover these machines – ‘On Silver Wings’ was published asa book, but was a series in AM for some time.
The old ‘Profile Publications’ covered these types too – some of the info is now known to be incorrect, but as broad guides, they are very reasonable.
As for the real thing (which can’t be beat) as Robbo will point out, the Old Warden Hind is a MAGNIFICENT beastie – can you get there? It’s worth the trip. I posted some detail & cockpit shots to back up some of Robbo’s great flying shots (the aeroplane was flying, not Robbo.) so do a search. Eventually the search function may work properly…
There’s Hart family at RAF Museum Hendon, somewhere in NZ, Old Warden, Cosford, Rockliffe, Canada (I’m there day after tomorrow…) and a few other places. There’s a Fury rep in Belgum, and another at Brooklands. The Nimrod at Duxford is just a great aircraft.
What do you want to know for? You want to fly them? 😉 You are building a model? You are a nosy bugger like the rest of us here?
HTH, if you want more on MMP, PM me – I shouldn’t advertise here, despite was certain posters want me to do! 😉
Cheers / Salut
By: Steve Bond - 29th June 2004 at 14:07
I would recommend you start with the Putnam book on Flight Testing at Martlesham Heath