2-Seat Harrier up for sale

Yes, I’ve gone Civil (well I always was polite!).

Enstrom 280C Shark G-BXEE

Cheers,

Ian.

Must be either a UH-12 or Scout!

Dave, its an Enstrom !

Must be either a UH-12 or Scout!

May I ask what kind of helicopter……?

Hi Robert,

You fly too high for me to see if you are waving!!

Helicopter hopefully by the coming weekend.

Cheers,

Ian.

I flew over today and noticed the Harrier was missing!! Watching out for a helicopter.

The Harrier was (in fact still is for a few weeks) located about 22 miles
east of Edinburgh. The good news is that she is now sold, and the better news is that she was sold in one piece, for further restoration and display
in the North of England. I don’t want to say more until I have clearance from the new owners.

Thanks to all who showed an interest and concern about her fate.

(I am now awaiting delivery of my helicopter – oops! hope Robert isn’t viewing).

Cheers,

Ian.

Where is it located?

Listed again at a price you can’t afford to miss!! 😉

(If she doesn’t sell this time round, then she will, sadly, be sold off in bits.
(some of the internals, such as the ejection seats, are worth hundreds
in their own right)

This thread is going a bit off track. Its really about Ians 2 seater Harrier. As stated earlier I can’t get it or any other aircraft in my back garden. I have checked in the past with one of these high lift cranes but we have overhead main power cables just outside the legal distance from our house and the crane company said no way. If any Scottish forum members would like to look after it perhaps we could come to some sort of arrangment, part ownership or something! Send me a PM

I think that there is just one Phantom in private hands, the Collins Foundation example. As for Starfighters, there is a display team with at least two aircraft (The Starfighters ) but I think that there may be more examples around in the US. I’m sure someone more knowledgable than me will be able to provide a complete answer.

re:

how many privately owned Phantoms are there flying in the US?

Are any Starfighters flying in private hands?

I’d like to see an F105 fly.

One thing that would mitigate against the Jaguar in the Uk is the fact it is supersonic.

So is the Sea Vixen in a dive, in fact its the fastest civil aircraft in the UK at the minute.

I think the hawk mk1 wil be fatigued out by the time they are retried.

So will most of the Jaguars, with the exception of the Cosford airframes.

be interesting to see if the US pilot who hopes to fly a Sea Harrier FA2 on an experimental reg in the US is successful – they are much more flexible over there!

Yes it will be interesting.

Because the Buccaneer is capable of being maintained and flown by a private organisation in the eyes of the CAA and BAe. I’d put money on the Hawk Mk 1 being operated as a private jet warbird one day (it is fitted with a RAT). The Jaguar? I don’t know the status of that one, I would say its possible. The Tornado, no way, the aircraft is not called the electric pig for nothing.

Thank you for info be cool to buy a Hawk MK 1 best start saving for one and training 😀

be interesting to see if the US pilot who hopes to fly a Sea Harrier FA2 on an experimental reg in the US is successful – they are much more flexible over there!

Wish they where more flexible over here.

James

Jaguar? I don’t know the status of that one, I would say its possible. The Tornado, no way, the aircraft is not called the electric pig for nothing.

One thing that would mitigate against the Jaguar in the Uk is the fact it is supersonic.

I think the hawk mk1 wil be fatigued out by the time they are retried

be interesting to see if the US pilot who hopes to fly a Sea Harrier FA2 on an experimental reg in the US is successful – they are much more flexible over there!

Well I never knew that, So how come the bucc is becoming on the CAA?and just wondering what other RAF aircraft could become on the CAA?

Regards
James

Because the Buccaneer is capable of being maintained and flown by a private organisation in the eyes of the CAA and BAe. I’d put money on the Hawk Mk 1 being operated as a private jet warbird one day (it is fitted with a RAT). The Jaguar? I don’t know the status of that one, I would say its possible. The Tornado, no way, the aircraft is not called the electric pig for nothing.

There are four airworthy Lightnings in South Africa with current pilots, So why can they not come over to the UK and Display? Reason, the CAA considers the design dangerous. Same for the Harrier. The Harrier has some very nasty flying characteristics especially in the hover. The classic one is its habit of rolling on its back due to sideslip induced roll, caused by crosswind on the large intakes if the aircraft is not flown directly into the wind at speeds below 100kts causing the aircraft to yaw rapidly. (There is a wind vane on the nose to inform the pilot of what the wind is doing and to show which way to point). The other problem is while in the hover it is very easy to move the wrong lever and move the nozzles when you want to change engine power or vice versa. The end result is the aircraft falling out of the sky. (First time it happened in public was at a Paris air show in the 1960’s with a P1127, the last time it happened was with a GR7 at Lowestoft in 2002). So only let the Harrier fly CTOL. Not recommended, CTOL lift off and touch down is 160Kt and is only used by the RAF in emergencies. Its not a problem for the RAF, as they do not have to worry about fuel costs and training. Different story of a Civil owned bird.

Well I never knew that, So how come the bucc is becoming on the CAA?and just wondering what other RAF aircraft could become on the CAA?

Regards
James

Not even if a Harrier Pilot flys it?

James

There are four airworthy Lightnings in South Africa with current pilots, So why can they not come over to the UK and Display? Reason, the CAA considers the design dangerous. Same for the Harrier. The Harrier has some very nasty flying characteristics especially in the hover. The classic one is its habit of rolling on its back due to sideslip induced roll, caused by crosswind on the large intakes if the aircraft is not flown directly into the wind at speeds below 100kts causing the aircraft to yaw rapidly. (There is a wind vane on the nose to inform the pilot of what the wind is doing and to show which way to point). The other problem is while in the hover it is very easy to move the wrong lever and move the nozzles when you want to change engine power or vice versa. The end result is the aircraft falling out of the sky. (First time it happened in public was at a Paris air show in the 1960’s with a P1127, the last time it happened was with a GR7 at Lowestoft in 2002). So only let the Harrier fly CTOL. Not recommended, CTOL lift off and touch down is 160Kt and is only used by the RAF in emergencies. Its not a problem for the RAF, as they do not have to worry about fuel costs and training. Different story of a Civil owned bird.

Not even if a Harrier pilot flies it!

The clue is in the word “Civil”. A Harrier is classified as a “Complex Aircraft”
as, as such, would never get a Civil operating licence from the CAA unless it
was operated by the original manufacturer (ie BAE).

Cheers,

Ian.

The CAA, will never give a Civil Harrier permission to fly, Way too dangerous. Anyway this one will not as its only the Nose. Too big for my small garden I’m afraid.

Not even if a Harrier Pilot flys it?

James