September 29, 2007 at 9:57 am
Good morning
I am seeking information about the refuellers used for the Lancaster Bombers in the 2nd world war.
I own a Stuart turner engine which was used to run the pumps made by Zwicky Ltd on these refuellers but can’t seem to find out much information on this subject.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
By: bazv - 7th October 2007 at 20:03
Thanks for putting me right Agcat,I did put my usual disclaimer in my earlier post(dont know much about MT!!) so it looks like I have an ‘MT’ Head 😀
Think I will stick to aircraft !!:rolleyes:
By: AgCat - 7th October 2007 at 19:44
Sorry, bazv, but your bowser is a Leyland Hippo and comes from the Cold War era rather than the war.
The wartime bowsers as shown in the Stirling pic were mounted on the AEC 0854 6×4 chassis. Although the cab was typical of that used on the Matador 0853 4×4 chassis, I think it was not strictly named a Matador in official AEC nomenclature (good word that!) and the AEC buffs still call it an 0854.
By: bazv - 6th October 2007 at 14:59
I took this when I was on 231 OCU Cottesmore circa 1975ish ,presumably an AEC Matador.
When I was a small boy I knew all the truck names,looks like I have forgotten a lot of valuable info in the ensuing 40 + years !!!:rolleyes:
By: Sea Hawk - 6th October 2007 at 13:44
And if you want a model of an AEC bomber command refueller: http://www.accurate-armour.com/ShowProduct.cfm?manufacturer=0&category=82&subcategory=251&product=1854
Note that it is a 6×6 truck, whereas a Matador is a 4×4 – although clearly they have much in common.
By: timmydeutz - 6th October 2007 at 11:22
Thanks
Hi – the pictures are superb – thanks for those John and Brian. Best get myself along to Duxford!
Tim
By: Pen Pusher - 4th October 2007 at 20:51
Taken at Duxford today



Brian
By: John Aeroclub - 4th October 2007 at 20:22
Good morning
I am seeking information about the refuellers used for the Lancaster Bombers in the 2nd world war.
I own a Stuart turner engine which was used to run the pumps made by Zwicky Ltd on these refuellers but can’t seem to find out much information on this subject.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Will this help?
John

By: timmydeutz - 4th October 2007 at 16:58
To NewForest
Hi
Forgot to say the connection with Deutz is that I work for them – industrial engines that is, not tractors.!!!
By: timmydeutz - 3rd October 2007 at 07:57
Re refuellers
Thanks all for the information you have provided..it has given me some new avenus to search down.
Cheers
By: Garry Owen - 1st October 2007 at 14:42
That’s correct,AEC on left,Bedford on right.(although the Bedford is post war spec with booms and in post war colors)
By: Tillerman - 1st October 2007 at 14:33
Indeed the AEC Matador is the truck on which the bowser was based. Another slightly smaller was the Bedford QL.
As in this 1975 Airfix kit? I must have the finished models somewhere…
http://www.kingscomix.com/images/thumbnail.php?src=products/mk/0/417mk.jpg
Tillerman.
By: Garry Owen - 1st October 2007 at 13:59
Indeed the AEC Matador is the truck on which the bowser was based. Another slightly smaller was the Bedford QL. Both these vehicles were used for various tasks by the British military during and after WW2. A google search should turn up more info.
Garry.
By: RPSmith - 1st October 2007 at 09:37
Hi Timmy – welcome to the Forum.
Zwicky produced their own three-wheeled fuel bowser but wouldn’t have been big enough, I wouldn’t think) for use on Lancs/bombers. They were used for fighter types during WW2 and some passed into civil use post war. I don’t know if Zwicky did any other types of bowser.
The Midland Air Museum used to have a three-wheel Zwicky bowser many years ago. It had been acquired from Alvair/Alvis on Coventry Airport then loaned to Bob Mitchell at Sutton Coldfield and never returned. 😡
Bazv mentions a Matador – was that the name of the AEC lorry the bowser was based on??
Roger Smith.
By: Newforest - 1st October 2007 at 09:23
Timmy was probably hoping for a ‘Deutz’ connection! welcome to the forum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutz_AG
http://www.processingtalk.com/news/dez/dez000.html
The only Deutz’s I see are tractors in our weekend fests.:)
By: bazv - 30th September 2007 at 23:09
Hi Timmy
Welcome to the forum,obviously a bit of a specialist subject judging by the response!!Don’t know much about MT myself but wasnt one type called a Matador??I think I remember seeing a photo of a Matador fuelling a Lanc!!