December 8, 2005 at 3:06 pm
From Der Spiegel Magazine website, posted December 5, 2005:
“CIA FLIGHTS IN EUROPE
A German Hub for Secret Flights?
For weeks, concern has grown about the use of airports in Germany by the CIA for its controversial ‘extraordinary renditions’ program. Now, it looks like there were hundreds of such suspected flights. At least 437 according to a new list provided by German air traffic controllers.
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One of the aircraft suspected of being used for secret CIA flights.
As much as new German Chancellor Angela Merkel may want to improve relations between the United States and Germany, events in the skies over Europe are making it increasingly difficult. Just prior to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s visit to Europe — set to begin on Monday — more details are emerging about the secret CIA flights that allegedly used airports and US airbases in Germany and other European countries to fly terror suspects to third countries for interrogation. Called “extraordinary renditions,” the alleged flights are violations of international law in that the suspects have been granted no rights and may have been subject to torture with the complicity of US intelligence officials.
A new list in Germany indicates that the CIA used German-based facilities at least 437 times for such controversial CIA flights. The number comes from German air traffic controllers at the request of Left Party parliamentarians. Two aircraft registered to the CIA alone used German airspace or landed at airports in Germany 137 times and 146 times respectively in 2002 and 2003. The heaviest traffic was at Airports in Frankfurt, Berlin, and at the American air base in Ramstein. The numbers are much higher than those that resulted from a recent study done by the New York Times, which indicates a total of 94 such CIA flights in Germany.
Questions for Rice
Rice is almost certain to be asked about the flights during her visit to Germany this week. She is set to meet with Merkel and Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier. The German government, however, is anxious to avoid a broader debate in Germany about the stationing of US troops and the use of German airspace for the war in Iraq.
Berlin is also anxious to avoid being implicated in the growing CIA flight scandal. According to a Washington Post story over the weekend, former German interior minister Otto Schily was informed as early as May 2004 about the abduction of German citizen Khaled al-Masri — who was picked up by the CIA in Macedonia in late 2003 and flown to Afghanistan for interrogation. His informant was former US ambassador to Germany Daniel R. Coats. Despite Schily’s alleged knowledge of the CIA “extraordinary rendition” practice, the government has consistently denied knowing anything about the Masri case. He was later released after it became apparent he had been abducted by mistake.”
The truth will out eventually 😀
By: Canpark - 14th December 2005 at 03:42
Probably more future inmates for Guantanamo.
By: Arthur - 13th December 2005 at 19:17
Only 137 times? I think that’s rather low, if you also consider CIA-cargo flights like those by Lyndon Air Cargo and such.
Still, very unlikely that those 137 all were for the Central Institute for Abductions.
By: Flood - 9th December 2005 at 08:46
With a US talkshow host apparently standing up for the option to torture (according to someone on Radio 4 yesterday) with the question ‘what are we supposed to do, say please?’ I guess that if it helps the cause then its a weapon of choice. As to whether they admit to genuine naughtiness or just whatever is suggested to them, your guess is as good as mine (or maybe better, depending on your occupation…?;)).
Flood
By: Newforest - 9th December 2005 at 08:26
And of course that means that they were unequivocally involved in these “extraordinary renditions” or whatever, right? Please. This is just the media spinning some numebrs to make them mean what they want them to mean.
So maybe the pen is mightier than the sword! Nobody said every flight was a ‘torture’ flight. I don’t think the middle letter of CIA stand for innocence. Ask the German citizen kidnapped and take to Afghanistan for questioning, ask the Canadian citizen taken and given to the Syrians for questioning and there was a high profile Norwegian case I believe.
By: Smith - 9th December 2005 at 03:37
Couldn’t agree more SOC – to say “at least 437” is a leap of faith on the data available.
That said, the thing I find concerning in all this is the extraordinary Janus like positioning of the US administration in all this. Since when have “enhanced interrogation techiques” as I think they’re called (the alleged purpose behind these flights, however many there were) been acceptable in a “civilised” Nation fighting terrorism? I struggle to understand the thought processes at work here.
By: SOC - 8th December 2005 at 16:26
Two aircraft registered to the CIA alone used German airspace or landed at airports in Germany 137 times and 146 times respectively in 2002 and 2003.
And of course that means that they were unequivocally involved in these “extraordinary renditions” or whatever, right? Please. This is just the media spinning some numebrs to make them mean what they want them to mean.
By: Grey Area - 8th December 2005 at 15:44
When you cut and paste text from a website into a posting, please make sure that it’s only the text that you’re copying.
If you try to copy graphics and webpage formatting your posting will appear bizarre to say the least.
Oh… and remember to quote the source, too. 🙂
Thanks
GA
By: PilotDKH - 8th December 2005 at 15:24
But definitely relevance here. Quite worrying.
By: Moggy C - 8th December 2005 at 15:15
This post has been moved from historic as having no relevance there.
Moggy
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