In the Daily Mail recently there was apparently a question about the largest aircraft to loop or roll. The answer so far is the prototype Boeing 707 at an air display in Seattle, with the test pilot Tex Johnson at the controls.
Whilst searching for other things I found a clip and short interview with Johnson and, though it most probably is a repost, I thought you might like to see it. Be aware that it is 21.3 meg…
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/707%20Roll.mpg
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By: adwwebber - 20th May 2005 at 09:31
Any One know if that’s ever been rolled or looped – I have seen it doing what appeared to be stall turns?
The manouvre is a wing over not a stall turn as the aircraft is not vertical and is still generating airspeed
By: Whiskey Delta - 19th May 2005 at 22:41
Infromation I recieved was from a BA concorde Engineer
kevin
Such a manuever would be a story of legend such as the Dash 80 event which should mean that such information would be well documented but it doesn’t seem to be for the Concorde. The Concorde is a legendary aircraft which has had every aspect of it’s history closely watched, how could it be that such an amazing manuever could escape every fan website or publication?
For that reason it casts a large amount of doubt. There always seems to be one or 2 “experts” or “higher ups” that have stories like this but they never seem to be from the folks involved. There is an interview with Tex Johnson where he talks about his flight. No matter what credentials someone has it doesn’t give their story validity unless they were there.
By: Whiskey Delta - 19th May 2005 at 22:33
Thanks for the confirmation WD. The Dash 80 is in great condition there. How is the museum accessible from the terminal area?
I drove up from Baltimore so I’m not 100% sure but I believe there is a shuttle that runs between IAD and the museum every 30 minutes or hour. I’m going off my poor memory when I was looking into traveling there last year.
Everything in that museum is in stunning condition which is nice to see. The Smithsonian folks really know how to treat their collections.
By: TRIDENT MAN - 19th May 2005 at 22:17
so Kevin at least we agree 🙂
By: kevinwm - 19th May 2005 at 22:10
The evidence i have of a rolling Concorde was in an interview on a mid eighties programe Reaching for the Skies ,when ex cheif piolt Concorde fleet Captian Brian Walpole stated that Jean Franci (French Test Pilot ) rolled the aircraft one way and then told Brian to unwind it,he says it was a 1G posite roll.I still have the VHS ,so in my mind i believe it although there is no photographic evidence.
Infromation I recieved was from a BA concorde Engineer
kevin
By: greekdude1 - 19th May 2005 at 21:19
Thanks for the confirmation WD. The Dash 80 is in great condition there. How is the museum accessible from the terminal area?
By: Whiskey Delta - 19th May 2005 at 18:24
You’re right, it’s the Udvar-Hazy Air and Space Museum. I can’t recommend it enough if you find yourself in the DC area. I went about a year ago and they had only about half of their aircraft inside but it was still a great collection.
I have a few pictures of the Concorde and 707 parked outside before they were moved inside.
By: greekdude1 - 19th May 2005 at 15:56
The Dash 80 is actually not in SEA, it was flown to Washington last year and it’s now on display at the Smithsonian Udvar Hazy center.
Is this the anex at Dulles International? I recall seeing an AF concorde parked there about a year ago.
By: TRIDENT MAN - 19th May 2005 at 13:50
The evidence i have of a rolling Concorde was in an interview on a mid eighties programe Reaching for the Skies ,when ex cheif piolt Concorde fleet Captian Brian Walpole stated that Jean Franci (French Test Pilot ) rolled the aircraft one way and then told Brian to unwind it,he says it was a 1G posite roll.I still have the VHS ,so in my mind i believe it although there is no photographic evidence.
By: Whiskey Delta - 19th May 2005 at 13:35
I agree, I find it rather unbelievable that they rolled the Concorde. Perhaps if there was a published interview with the complete flight crew who performed this manuever I would be willing to believe it.
Plenty of proof for the Tex Johnson barrel roll though.
By: Skymonster - 19th May 2005 at 12:51
Believe it or not ,but a Concorde was barrel rolled .
Despite what has been claimed about this here and elsewhere in the past, I believe this to be an urban myth – there was certainly no more need to barrel roll Concorde during certification than there is with any other airliner. Of course, if anyone can prove the assertion that it did barrel roll by supplying a photo, I’d be very pleased to amend my thinking.
Andy
By: Bmused55 - 19th May 2005 at 08:21
I was told the same by a BA engineer, that as part of her gaining her C/A she was barrel rolled, was expecting one of the BA pilots to do this on the last flight 😎 😎
Kevin.
he he he
His flying career would be over before he completed it. LOL if he wasn’t retiring anyway.
By: kevinwm - 19th May 2005 at 07:51
Believe it or not ,but a Concorde was barrel rolled .
I was told the same by a BA engineer, that as part of her gaining her C/A she was barrel rolled, was expecting one of the BA pilots to do this on the last flight 😎 😎
Kevin.
By: TRIDENT MAN - 18th May 2005 at 18:12
Believe it or not ,but a Concorde was barrel rolled .
By: STORMBIRD262 - 18th May 2005 at 18:06
COOL
By: wysiwyg - 21st March 2005 at 13:30
…Although im sure some of the airbus test pilots would like to have a go at rolling the A340, would be so much easier with fly by wire…
It wouldn’t actually be possible under normal circumstances as the flight envelope protection system does not allow the aircraft to exceed 67 degrees angle of bank (or minus 15 to plus 25-30 degrees pitch depending on speed/angle of attack). However if you turned off some of the computers you could change the flight control laws from normal law to alternate law and then to direct law and now you’ve manually downgraded the handling to the same as an A300/310 or a Boeing. Now you’re rolling!
By: wysiwyg - 21st March 2005 at 13:30
…Although im sure some of the airbus test pilots would like to have a go at rolling the A340, would be so much easier with fly by wire…
It wouldn’t actually be possible under normal circumstances as the flight envelope protection system does not allow the aircraft to exceed 67 degrees angle of bank (or minus 15 to plus 25-30 degrees pitch depending on speed/angle of attack). However if you turned off some of the computers you could change the flight control laws from normal law to alternate law and then to direct law and now you’ve manually downgraded the handling to the same as an A300/310 or a Boeing. Now you’re rolling!
By: Sonnenflieger - 20th March 2005 at 10:28
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By: Sonnenflieger - 20th March 2005 at 10:28
If you’re into model collecting, don’t miss out on Dragon Wings’ quite new 1/400th scale model of the 367-80!
By: robbelc - 20th March 2005 at 09:52
How big is the Vulcan Bomber in comparison to the B707?
Any One know if that’s ever been rolled or looped – I have seen it doing what appeared to be stall turns.
Vulcan was rolled at a 50’s Farnborough show 😮 . My guess that the 707 is a larger aircraft, but the vulcan maybe heavier?
Although im sure some of the airbus test pilots would like to have a go at rolling the A340, :rolleyes: , would be so much easier with fly by wire.
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